When Dad Killed Mom - Episode 2

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Do you like music? Do you like playlists? [00:00:03] Speaker B: Do you like awesome music in a playlist chosen by the Book Interrupted members inspired by the books? Yeah, I thought so. Go to www.bookinterrupted.com to find our cycle song picks. You're welcome. [00:00:21] Speaker A: Parental guidance is recommended because this episode has mature topics and strong language. Here are some moments you can look forward to during this episode of Book Interrupted. [00:00:31] Speaker C: When my dad passed, that song was all I listened to. [00:00:35] Speaker D: And what does this say about this is Meredith's love life. Love life depressing. [00:00:39] Speaker B: My whole health strategy right now is about good stress. [00:00:42] Speaker C: I'm like, oh, this was a memoir. [00:00:44] Speaker D: And it's mine for Sarah, it's the worst. [00:00:47] Speaker A: I hate you. [00:00:48] Speaker D: Sarah will do like, four tarot card readings in one day. [00:00:51] Speaker C: It's some dark stuff, for sure. [00:00:53] Speaker B: So is it contained behind a cage. [00:00:54] Speaker D: To protect her from her clumsy self? [00:00:56] Speaker B: Who said that? [00:00:57] Speaker C: The waxer. [00:00:58] Speaker B: The waxer said that. I'm going to do your horseshoe of death now. My body my body information is without. Trying to learn something without being disrupted. Mind, body and soul inspiration is without. And we're gonna talk it out on Book Interrupted. [00:01:35] Speaker A: Welcome to Book Interrupted, a book club for busy people to connect and one that celebrates life's interruptions. During this banned book cycle. We're reading Ashley's fan book pick when dad Killed Mom by Julius Lester. This book was banned for sexual content and genital references. If you'd like to follow along, this book cycle is from February 1 to April 1. Jenna and Jeremy knew their parents marriage was in trouble, but no one could have predicted what would come next. Now, with Mom, dad, and dad in jail, jenna and Jeremy must recreate a family of their own. Let's listen in to this episode's. Group discussion. [00:02:16] Speaker C: So welcome back. This is the second and final episode for when dad killed mom. And we are joined with everyone today. And I'm very excited to see how everyone thought like the rest of the book was. [00:02:32] Speaker B: Thanks. [00:02:32] Speaker A: And oh, the author is I've got it right here. [00:02:35] Speaker C: Julius Lester. Oh, you actually have a copy of the book. Nice. [00:02:40] Speaker B: I have it because Kim remember the last episode? So Kim was like, I might have two books. And she like, send it to me in the packaging. I'm pretty sure that it came to her in totally. I didn't even open it. Fuck this. [00:02:55] Speaker D: And just forward it on. [00:02:56] Speaker B: Here, take it. Great. [00:02:58] Speaker C: Oh, that's awesome. [00:02:59] Speaker B: As we talked about last time, the audiobook wasn't doing it. I was like, I'm never I knew it was short, but I was like. [00:03:04] Speaker C: I can't because I know you were saying the girl's voice, it was kind of annoying. And so I was wondering if you felt it was still annoying, but I guess you finished. When did you switch from audio to the physical book? [00:03:17] Speaker B: I gave up on the audio, like, very early on. Yeah, kim was like, do you want the book? I was like, oh, thank God. [00:03:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:03:25] Speaker A: So I finished it all the way with audiobook from beginning to end because I didn't get an actual book. [00:03:31] Speaker B: Did you get an actual book or. [00:03:32] Speaker A: Did you read it all on Google Books? [00:03:34] Speaker C: I ended up just reading it all on Google Books because I got like an email updating me on shipping or whatever, and by the time it got here, I was like, I'm going to be moved on to the next book that we're reading, so there's no point. So I just finished it all on Google Books. [00:03:49] Speaker B: Cool. [00:03:50] Speaker A: I love that we all read it differently. Mare did a little bit of both. [00:03:54] Speaker B: You did Google books. [00:03:55] Speaker A: I did Audiobook, and Kim did just solid book. That's cool. I didn't like that actress's voice right to the end, but you got used to it eventually. [00:04:04] Speaker B: I think you weren't supposed to, though. At the beginning of the book, it's kind of written so that you kind of are like Jenna, right? Like you kind of feel, yeah, like, what's with this kid? And it's because she's 14. Maybe they even talk about it like she's full of hormones, basically. Maybe you're supposed to feel that way about her because then by the end of the book, you don't feel that way about her. She's still kind of teenagery and she's still like herself. But I think the book kind of did a good job of showing that. Sometimes when tragedy hits, you lose somebody close to you. For some people it makes them, and for some people it breaks them. Either they've got it together and then they fall apart, or they maybe didn't have it all together and then change their course. They kind of showed a good example of both. That where the boy, he went into himself, didn't want to do all the stuff he's supposed to do, and then the daughter was like, I'm just going to get straight A's now, because I realize all that other stuff doesn't matter. All of us know somebody who's lost somebody close to them, and you see real examples of that in life. [00:05:01] Speaker C: Yeah, I think that's really interesting, too, because there's such a dynamic of people who go through, like siblings who go through the exact same thing, but experience it completely different, and how they choose to deal with it can be complete opposite. So I thought that was really interesting to see in the book, too, because that's been my experience in real life, is I had a dad pass when I was I think I was twelve or 13. So, like, very similar to the ages in the book. And I have two other siblings, and we all experienced that so differently, even though it was the same event. Right. So that was kind of cool for me to read, too, because I really related on hearing about a situation from different people and being like, Wait, that's not how I think it went. [00:05:56] Speaker B: Yeah. You don't know where the truth is. It was good. [00:05:59] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly right. I think the truth sometimes can be each person thinks it's something different. Like someone could be explaining something to you and you're like, that's not the truth. But that's their truth. That's how they've seen it. That's how they experience it. I am happy that the book still had both perspectives, because that was really cool. [00:06:21] Speaker B: The other thing about truth, too, is it also highlighted how your relationship with people really affects whether or not you're going to believe them or not. But I want to believe them because I care about them. And your need to believe that's just so human, just wrapped up in our relationships. [00:06:37] Speaker C: Absolutely. [00:06:39] Speaker A: I'm sorry to hear about your dad, too. [00:06:41] Speaker C: Thank you. Thank you. It's been a really long time and kind of interesting to piggyback off of that is your life changes so much after someone especially immediate to you passes away. Especially at that young age, you're already going through so many changes. So to deal with the passing of someone, it was very therapeutic almost to read it for me, because when it happened to me, I was like, oh, my God, no one in the world has ever gone through this. I can't believe I'm the only person at 13 years old going through the loss of a parent. It was cool to read it for me because as annoying as I thought both main characters were at certain points, I was kind of the same way in some aspects, so I felt almost like I was writing it at points. [00:07:32] Speaker B: Do you think that how the author wrote her experience? Being like, it just feels like I can't talk to anybody because they don't really know, and then she meets that friend who knew. Do you think that the author kind of nailed it, the internal feelings of the kids? It seemed to me like, yeah, actually, at the beginning of the book, I was like, oh, whatever. But then I felt like the author did explore all those things kind of nicely, the internal conflicts that are related. [00:07:55] Speaker C: Yeah, I think he did a pretty good job, actually. I wish I had my diary from that age. I threw it out, like, years ago because it was so depressing. But it would have been so cool if I kept it because reading that, I totally remember being in that same state of mind and feeling that and yeah, finding someone that you can actually talk to and relate to, it's such a relief. You almost feel like you're going back to normal because you're talking to someone who is listening and understanding you. And I think that's something people have a hard time connecting with when they lose someone close to them. [00:08:36] Speaker D: I'm wondering what was annoying about her. I didn't really find her annoying. Maybe I forget specifically. [00:08:43] Speaker C: I think I was mostly just annoyed with. Sometimes I feel like her train of thought or I don't know, maybe the way she did things, it just felt young to me. [00:08:56] Speaker D: So youth is annoying, but it did. [00:08:58] Speaker B: It did feel young, right? She was kind of obnoxious. Some way she would say something, and then maybe she didn't really mean it just because she's like but I think. [00:09:10] Speaker C: It'S just the attitude going through the changes of puberty and losing. You think your dad killed your mom? That's huge, right? So I can understand why she's kind of annoying sometimes. [00:09:25] Speaker A: I found her annoying too, but I think in the audiobook they really played it up. So maybe on the page I was saying this in my personal journal, maybe because I had to record mine twice. [00:09:35] Speaker B: So maybe I didn't, or maybe I did. I know I never know what to if I tried to say the same thing again, and I can't. [00:09:40] Speaker A: Well, my audacity like, abruptly turned off. [00:09:43] Speaker B: And then it said, sorry, we don't. [00:09:46] Speaker D: Like this personal journal. [00:09:49] Speaker B: Take two. Right? [00:09:51] Speaker C: I was like, Take two. [00:09:52] Speaker A: I'm not sure if she'd come off that way on the page or if this is actress, because the way she would say it, she'd be, oh God, I'm such a bitch sometimes. The tone she would use, she would use it, like I guess Jenna, if she was a teenager, would be, eh, like kind of whiny. [00:10:09] Speaker C: Yeah, I think that's what it was. It was I felt like she was whiny. And of course, realistically, obviously, she's going. [00:10:16] Speaker B: Through a lot, but to sit there. [00:10:18] Speaker C: And read a book about it, I'm. [00:10:20] Speaker B: Just like, shut stop complaining, your dad. [00:10:25] Speaker C: But then again, maybe it also hit a personal note for me. I was like, I was pretty annoying then, too, so it might have felt like a little too personal, I don't know. [00:10:35] Speaker D: You're like, Shut up, Jenna, you're making us look bad. [00:10:39] Speaker C: I'm like, oh, this was a memoir and it's mine. [00:10:44] Speaker B: When you picked a book, did you think, did I pick this book because of my past or did you think that after you read it? [00:10:52] Speaker C: I thought that after I read it because I read so many mystery, true crime. I'm always drawn to that. And then after reading it, I've been doing a lot of healing about my childhood in that age. Specifically, I recently went to my hometown. I'm originally from Ontario, and then I moved to DC in high school. And I didn't go back for almost twelve years due to just kind of trauma and stuff like that. And I went back for a friend's wedding and I got to heal so much of that trauma. So it was almost a kind of a perfect book for that. It felt like it wrapped it all up. [00:11:32] Speaker B: You're like, on the healing train and. [00:11:34] Speaker C: You'Re like, well, exactly. Time for this book. [00:11:36] Speaker B: It's time. [00:11:36] Speaker C: Yeah. So I think maybe subconsciously I picked it because I knew I needed to go through that. [00:11:42] Speaker B: Maybe. [00:11:42] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:11:43] Speaker D: It's like a lot of times when a book comes in your life, or at least when you read a book, like the timing matters. [00:11:49] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. [00:11:50] Speaker D: Right. [00:11:50] Speaker C: And if things are meant to be, I think I was meant to pick that. [00:11:55] Speaker A: Kara would love this. Kara always says that she's like the right book at the right time. [00:11:59] Speaker B: She loves right. She's going to listen to this and be like, OOH, I wish it was there. [00:12:03] Speaker D: I like taking a book and just randomly opening it and reading a sentence. It's kind of like tarot cards, you know what? You're like, oh, why I needed to hear this right now. Even if it's like and then she went to get the pickles. [00:12:16] Speaker B: It's true. [00:12:16] Speaker C: I am hungry. [00:12:18] Speaker B: I do need a pickle. [00:12:19] Speaker C: Exactly. Speaking of that, there's actually a trend on TikTok right now where you grab the closest book to you, you open it up to page 30, and the first sentence is supposed to describe your love life. [00:12:32] Speaker D: Let's do it right now. Right now. [00:12:34] Speaker B: Oh, I will. Okay, hold on. [00:12:36] Speaker D: Okay, hold on. Let us all get our books. [00:12:38] Speaker B: Closest book. [00:12:39] Speaker D: Closest book. [00:12:40] Speaker C: I have a kid's book. [00:12:42] Speaker B: Okay. I'm doing it with when dad killed mom. Page 31st, full sentence. That Sunday. It seemed like my question about him and caring getting divorced made him remember because he started talking about her, and there was a sadness in his voice, like he missed her. And what does this say about this. [00:12:59] Speaker D: Is Meredith's love life. [00:13:00] Speaker B: Love life. [00:13:01] Speaker D: Depressing. [00:13:03] Speaker B: Divorced. [00:13:04] Speaker D: At least he misses her. [00:13:06] Speaker B: Dan misses you because you went to the spare room for the viewers. We were talking about this before. I was like, I'm going to sleep in the spare room because I just didn't get a good night's sleep for several nights in a row. I'm sorry, but I'm just like a very still, deep sleeper, and the rest of my family's just rolling around and I don't know, I just need to get some sleep. [00:13:27] Speaker A: But still maybe Dan misses you. Where is she? [00:13:31] Speaker B: Maybe. Well, he's probably cold, right? If you keep your temperature the same in your house, and then you're used to sleeping in bed with somebody, and then you go to separate beds, then you're colder. [00:13:41] Speaker C: Yeah, it's so true. [00:13:42] Speaker B: Which I love. It was so cold in the room that I was in. I was like, oh, it's so cold, and I'm so cozy under the blanket. [00:13:48] Speaker C: I love sleeping in a cold room. That's it for me. Like that. And tons of blankets. [00:13:54] Speaker B: Perfect. Yeah. [00:13:54] Speaker D: You're like ten degrees. [00:13:56] Speaker B: Yeah, ten degrees. You like it freezing. [00:13:59] Speaker C: Totally. [00:14:00] Speaker D: I like to wake up with ice. [00:14:01] Speaker A: Kim, are you going to do it? [00:14:03] Speaker D: You have no idea what mine is. It's hilarious. [00:14:06] Speaker B: Okay, let's hear it. [00:14:08] Speaker D: First sentence of page 30 in the book closest to me, this sentence describes my love life. Are you ready? [00:14:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:15] Speaker D: The sentence is no. [00:14:22] Speaker B: Oh, no. Oh, my gosh. [00:14:25] Speaker C: I love that. Hey, maybe you need to say no more in your life. You need to set boundaries in your love life. [00:14:34] Speaker B: Or maybe that's what she does now. Yeah. Poor Josh. Feeling for you, Josh. [00:14:41] Speaker C: Thinking about are you in the mood? You're like, no. [00:14:43] Speaker B: No. [00:14:44] Speaker D: Period. No. [00:14:46] Speaker C: Oh, that's so funny. [00:14:48] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:14:49] Speaker D: When I opened it up, I was like, get out of see? [00:14:53] Speaker C: Like, it kind of fits perfectly. [00:14:55] Speaker D: Hilarious. Okay, who's next? [00:14:57] Speaker B: I love how Sarah's closest book is the 4% Fix. That's totally you. How could be more productive? [00:15:06] Speaker C: You could be 4% more productive. [00:15:08] Speaker B: Okay. What is it, sir? [00:15:09] Speaker A: All right, so putting on your own virtual oxygen mask sounds straightforward enough, but for most of us, it requires strategy, planning, and commitment. [00:15:22] Speaker B: Totally. This is you, like, having to figure out what to do with the kids, and you're like, I got to do things like strategy, organizing, especially if it's my love life. I am committed to spending time with my husband. [00:15:36] Speaker C: That's true. A lot of couples don't. [00:15:38] Speaker B: I have to plan it out and strategize what I do so I have energy. By the end of the night. [00:15:46] Speaker D: You need to have a midday nap. [00:15:50] Speaker C: I think naps are important. [00:15:52] Speaker B: Daily love naps. [00:15:53] Speaker D: Argue over here. [00:15:56] Speaker C: Okay, so I'm recording in my eight year old nephew's bedroom. [00:16:01] Speaker B: Okay, let's hear it. [00:16:02] Speaker C: Yeah. The book I'm reading from Is I. [00:16:06] Speaker B: Survived True Stories of Courageous Creatures. [00:16:10] Speaker C: They're apparently true stories. Okay. So on page 30, the first sentence is actually a fact. So in the summer, the Eastern North American monarch butterfly makes its home in the northern United States and Southern Canada. [00:16:28] Speaker B: You're the monarch butterfly making its home okay, stop. [00:16:32] Speaker C: Actually. Okay, if this fits, I can't so I am planning on moving from Edmonton back to the Okanagan, which is the south, and I'm in the Southern Canada. [00:16:46] Speaker B: There. You're a butterfly. Monarch butterfly. Stop migrating. [00:16:51] Speaker C: Are you kidding? So does that mean I'm going to find a man's when I move? [00:16:55] Speaker B: Yes. [00:16:56] Speaker D: Yes. Some lovin'is coming your way. Fly butterfly. [00:16:59] Speaker B: Totally. You're gonna know it's going to be a butterfly, though. A male butterfly. [00:17:04] Speaker C: Cute. Should I get a new tattoo? [00:17:05] Speaker B: I don't know. Yes. [00:17:08] Speaker C: Oh, my God. [00:17:09] Speaker D: Oh, my God. Imagine if you got a tattoo just in this game. [00:17:13] Speaker B: I would love it, but, like, a butterfly tattoo is nice, at least. It's not like I don't know, it's traditional. [00:17:19] Speaker D: It's not like the word no. Should I put the word no on my body? [00:17:22] Speaker B: No. [00:17:23] Speaker C: It's like a worm or something like that. [00:17:26] Speaker B: The North American maggot likes to make its home in rotting flesh. Totally. [00:17:35] Speaker D: At least you got butterfly. Could have been way worse. [00:17:38] Speaker C: Yeah, especially some of the things in here. There's cockroaches and stuff. [00:17:42] Speaker B: Okay, wait. [00:17:42] Speaker D: Honestly, is that butterfly going south? [00:17:44] Speaker C: Yes, because what's migrating monarch butterfly makes its home in the northern US. And Southern Canada. [00:17:52] Speaker B: Yes. Great. [00:17:56] Speaker D: Anyway, so you're moving to a Soyuz. [00:17:59] Speaker C: I would move anywhere from Vernon to a Soyuz. [00:18:02] Speaker D: I thought it was saying you were going south. And then I was like, I'll watch out, ashley's going down, if you know what I mean. [00:18:09] Speaker B: Yikes. No, I think you're finding your love. [00:18:14] Speaker C: Oh, my gosh, I can't wait. A summer fling. That sounds awesome for me. I can't wait for that. [00:18:20] Speaker B: We killed a whole bunch of maws. I wanted to say we collect these fuzzy caterpillars in the fall. We stick them in a jar and then they make the cocoons really quickly. And then we usually notice when they come out and the kids get to play with the moths and it's very happy. But I've been busy. So the moths came out and they're, like, just dead in there. Feel like there's the little cocoons on the stick there. Yeah, it is. Their fur is kind of like fiberglass. You're not supposed to really handle them. Can get into your skin and it can get itchy. They make their cocoons out of their fur or their hair anyway. [00:18:54] Speaker C: How interesting. [00:18:54] Speaker B: Remind me of I know it's totally different and totally off topic, but you. [00:18:57] Speaker A: Don'T remind me of I have a giant cactus in one of my flower beds. It's normally contained and I make sure I don't touch it or whatever. And the other day it's normally contained. [00:19:08] Speaker B: What happened in Escape. Don't fall into it. We know you're accident prone, but still so is it contained behind a cage. [00:19:15] Speaker D: To protect her from her clumsy self? [00:19:17] Speaker A: I was gardening and I was watering on a different plant and I was trying to trim some flowers to put flowers in a vase. [00:19:24] Speaker B: And one dropped and I forgot that the cactus was behind. And the way I bent down I bent down and it poked your bum like in a cartoon. Did you go on? And I thought I got it out, but then it took a while. Every time it moved, I was like, oh, I think some more is still there. And that's the special time you had with your husband that day was him picking cactus thorns out of your butt? Totally. Well, this is the one I had him on. You're like, hey, can you help me with something you take out down your pants? He's like, yeah. You're like cactus thorns? Here's some tweezers. Okay. [00:19:58] Speaker C: Well, honestly, sometimes when you shave and then, you know, the hair grows back, it feels kind of like a cactus. [00:20:04] Speaker B: True. [00:20:05] Speaker A: That is true. [00:20:06] Speaker C: See, we're relating everything here. [00:20:08] Speaker D: Let's play that game. Whatever anybody says, we'll just association to it. [00:20:13] Speaker C: How quickly can Kim make a sexual joke out of it? [00:20:16] Speaker D: A sexual joke of shaved ass. I think the joke made it shaved my ass. [00:20:22] Speaker C: By the way. [00:20:23] Speaker B: It'll shave my record. I do want the world to know yet. Doesn't mean you won't. [00:20:35] Speaker D: Natural hairy ass for me. [00:20:38] Speaker C: Have you ever gotten it waxed? [00:20:40] Speaker D: No, Sarah would never really? [00:20:43] Speaker C: Okay, so I got it waxed once and I thought it was going to be so painful. Is the least painful place to wax. [00:20:50] Speaker D: Oh, interesting. I wonder why there are, like, no nerve endings there or something. Like, what's the deal with that? [00:20:55] Speaker C: Maybe there's not that much hair. I mean, I can't speak for everyone. She was like, okay, I'm done. And I was like, I didn't know you we started. [00:21:05] Speaker B: Yeah, easy peasy. [00:21:07] Speaker A: Isn't that called the Brazilian? [00:21:08] Speaker B: That's when you get everything. Yeah. [00:21:10] Speaker C: They call it the horseshoe of death. At some point during the waxing session. Yeah. [00:21:15] Speaker B: What? Who said that? [00:21:16] Speaker C: The waxer. [00:21:17] Speaker B: The waxer said that. I'm going to do your horseshoe of death now. That's what she said. Nobody's died there before. Why are you calling the horseshoe of death? [00:21:25] Speaker C: So she did like the lips are. [00:21:27] Speaker D: We Brazilian or we asshole? [00:21:29] Speaker C: What are we like, hey, we're going to go do the horseshoe of death? [00:21:34] Speaker B: Maybe she got farted at once and it was foul. [00:21:37] Speaker D: That's why she called it the horseshoe of death. [00:21:39] Speaker C: Oh, maybe. I don't know. [00:21:40] Speaker B: Why would you call the horseshoe that's kind of weird for me. [00:21:42] Speaker D: I thought that meant pain. [00:21:44] Speaker B: Yes. [00:21:44] Speaker C: Yeah, I think the top part more near. Like the clit was a little more sensitive, so I think that makes sense. Like the horseshoe of death. [00:21:55] Speaker D: Okay. [00:21:56] Speaker C: But I was like, you hyping me up for something worse than it was. [00:22:00] Speaker B: Yeah, call it something nice and relaxing. [00:22:02] Speaker A: I'd be terrified. [00:22:04] Speaker C: Leave the wax on. That's fine. [00:22:08] Speaker D: It's as smooth as if the hairs were removed. [00:22:11] Speaker B: Just having a wax going. Yeah, just tint it to match my skin color and just cover it up. We're good to go. I'm fine with this. Thank you. Okay. [00:22:23] Speaker C: Wait, no, you guys were talking about bedazzling. [00:22:28] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:22:30] Speaker C: That should be totally a way to the jazzle. Just some colorful wax down. [00:22:34] Speaker D: Yeah, put wax and then stick the beads right on rhinestones or the rhinestones. [00:22:39] Speaker C: That's actually cute. [00:22:41] Speaker B: Cute. [00:22:42] Speaker D: I'm not sure if it's functional, but it's definitely fashionable. [00:22:44] Speaker C: Yeah, maybe not functional. [00:22:46] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:22:46] Speaker A: Dried in the okanagan. When you're there with your no too hot. [00:22:50] Speaker D: The wax would melt for sure. Actually, the wax would probably melt from friction anyway. [00:22:54] Speaker B: Honestly. [00:22:55] Speaker C: Yeah, honestly. That's so true. That's what I'm kind of nervous for moving back is I'm in such an extremely cold climate now and I like, back to an extremely warm climate, but I'd rather be warm. [00:23:07] Speaker D: You'll be fine. You're good here. I'm happy you're coming back. [00:23:11] Speaker C: Yeah, I thrive in the Okinawa. [00:23:13] Speaker D: You do thrive here, for sure. [00:23:15] Speaker C: I know. I was just thinking, I was like. [00:23:16] Speaker B: Oh, me and Kim are going to. [00:23:18] Speaker C: Have to go for lunch. [00:23:19] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. [00:23:20] Speaker B: I want to come back to the tarot cards for a second. I know you're saying sometimes you click of a tarot card and you're like, I needed to hear this. I wonder if people are more likely to trust Tarot cards if their life is a hot mess. [00:23:34] Speaker D: No. [00:23:35] Speaker B: Like, you pick it up and you're like, I need all of this advice. Every card is that advice. [00:23:41] Speaker D: I need it's. Literally, you're hitting it on the head, but you don't realize it's, how open you are. So if that person is desperate and they came to the Tarot cards because they're looking for messages, because they don't know what to do, then they're all about it. But some people aren't. [00:23:56] Speaker B: What if your personality is you're on the fence? You're like, I don't know. But then when your life is really poor, you're like, you nailed it. But you could go through the whole deck and be like, I need all this because I know nothing. [00:24:05] Speaker D: It depends sometimes because the Tarot is going to tell you whatever you actually need to know, but sometimes the reason your life's all fucked up is because you're in denial about what you need to know. And so if the Tarot about that. [00:24:17] Speaker B: Is that your denial? Yeah. Did it come off as denial? At first? I was mad. My denial up. [00:24:24] Speaker D: I'm not finished. [00:24:26] Speaker B: Why are you so skeptical? But, yeah, I've had it before. [00:24:32] Speaker D: Well, I had a mentor, a Tarot mentor once, and that's what she told me, too, which I also lowkey understand. Could be just a bad Tarot card reader's way of being like, oh, they just don't understand. Even though the person's like, this has nothing to do with me. None of these cards make any sense. You're not ready for the message yet. [00:24:52] Speaker C: I've read some scammy Tarot card readers. They'll tell you kind of a few basic things, but then if you want to know the more detailed stuff, they'll be like, well, you got to come for a second reading. Obviously, people want to know the more juicy stuff. Right? [00:25:06] Speaker D: A cliffhanger Tarot card reading, that's rude. Although if the last card literally is a cliffhanger, like Sarah's favorite card, the moon. [00:25:14] Speaker A: Yeah, I hate the moon is the worst. [00:25:17] Speaker B: The moon is the moon always a cliffhanger. [00:25:20] Speaker D: And the moon is literally like you don't get to know. That's what the moon means. [00:25:24] Speaker B: It's like, is it? [00:25:26] Speaker D: You have to be okay with not knowing. [00:25:27] Speaker B: It's going to be a surprise. You're in the dark. Yeah. [00:25:32] Speaker D: And that's okay, and that's it. [00:25:34] Speaker B: And you're like, Fuck off. That's my final card for Sarah. It's the worst. [00:25:38] Speaker A: I hate you. [00:25:39] Speaker D: Sarah will do, like, four Tarot card readings in one day just so she can hear more. [00:25:43] Speaker B: It's just like the moon every time. I'm sorry. We saw you coming totally. From space. Totally. I said to KJ while she's doing. [00:25:52] Speaker A: It, even though I know the cards are telling me what I need to. [00:25:56] Speaker B: Hear, I'll be like, I just need some good news. [00:25:59] Speaker A: And she'll be like, but you have. [00:26:01] Speaker B: To do this shit to get the good news. I'm like, but I don't want to stop looking at as good news or bad news. It's just news. Yeah. Except for if you're getting the tower. [00:26:11] Speaker A: Your life is falling apart and you're not dealing with it. [00:26:13] Speaker B: You're in a burning building. Do something. And I'm like, no, we should get Sarah a shirt that's got the moon on it. Hate the reminder. [00:26:21] Speaker D: The moon glowing over the tower. The crumbling tower. [00:26:24] Speaker B: Yeah. You don't get to know who it is. It's currently crumbling, but it's terrible. Yeah. Your present is the tower. Your final is the moon. I'd be like, yeah, my computers did a blue, blue, blue. But I thought I had it on. Do you not disturb? [00:26:41] Speaker D: You got disturbed. I thought your battery was dying. So I think a disturbance is better than a dead battery. [00:26:46] Speaker B: I've got to plug in the computer because I've had that happen. [00:26:48] Speaker D: Your social battery, that would be a problem. [00:26:52] Speaker B: My watch tells me body battery, like, how much I recovered at night, stuff like that. [00:26:56] Speaker D: So what about last night in the spare bedroom? What were your results? [00:26:59] Speaker B: I didn't have a good recovery. [00:27:01] Speaker D: Because of interruptions? [00:27:02] Speaker B: No, they said because of high stress levels yesterday. [00:27:07] Speaker D: And how do they know that? What is it? [00:27:08] Speaker B: Heart rate monitors my stress. [00:27:10] Speaker D: Like, how does it calculate your stress? [00:27:12] Speaker B: I'm not exactly exactly. I'm not exactly sure. [00:27:16] Speaker D: Sound pretty exactly. [00:27:20] Speaker B: Stuck on that word. But it does measure heart rate variability, and I think that's used as part of it. [00:27:25] Speaker D: Yeah, because I'd like to see a day of sex on the stress report versus a day of sick, angry children and see, you know what I mean? Maybe they're similar because there's good stress. Right. So I'd like to see my whole. [00:27:43] Speaker B: Health strategy right now is about good stress. They're going to say sex strategy is good sex about good sex? I had this gross smoothie with broccoli sprouts because they've got sulfuraphane, which is like and then I've been doing the sauna. [00:28:00] Speaker D: Tell me about the grossness. [00:28:01] Speaker B: More the grossness. It tastes gross because why couldn't you. [00:28:05] Speaker D: Do something that also made it taste good? [00:28:07] Speaker C: I heard putting apples in smoothies make it taste pretty good. [00:28:09] Speaker B: I put bananas and keffer to make it taste better. [00:28:12] Speaker D: Was it a penis smoothie? Were you making a phallic? [00:28:16] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess, because I did like, broccoli sprouts and they look like mushrooms. Right. From the last one. Remember the coitus? The penis smoothie and the vagina smoothie? Or are you saying what about the sprouts looking like pubes? Is that what you're saying? [00:28:35] Speaker D: What, to oh, no, but that's bonus. I'm literally the cherry on top. [00:28:41] Speaker A: Maybe that's the merkin smoothie, right? [00:28:44] Speaker B: Merkin smoothie. Because everyone wants to eat. Yeah, but anyway, it tastes bad just because the compounds didn't taste bad. [00:28:57] Speaker C: Is it really gritty from the broccoli? [00:29:00] Speaker B: What's broccoli sprouts? [00:29:01] Speaker D: Oh, you know those sprouts that were super popular. They still exist, obviously. [00:29:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Is it. Like those? Yes, it's like those, but they look a little different. Do you want to see what they look like? Sure. Yeah. I'll be back. I got lots of broccoli sprouts right now. 1 minute. Okay, great. [00:29:19] Speaker C: This is some juicy stuff for the people who watch on YouTube. [00:29:23] Speaker D: Get your friends. The broccoli sprouts are coming. [00:29:26] Speaker B: Can you guys see okay? Do you see that? [00:29:32] Speaker D: It looks cool. [00:29:33] Speaker B: Yeah, there. It would be good in the sandwich. And do they taste like broccoli? No, you know, like cruciferous vegetables have kind of like spicy taste, like radishes when they're raw. [00:29:42] Speaker D: Yeah, I know. [00:29:43] Speaker B: So it's kind of got that a little bit of a bite, but not like as much as radish. I mix in radish sprouts as well. They're high in the enzyme that converts I was just going to say, does. [00:29:52] Speaker D: It make your broccoli sprout more effective? [00:29:56] Speaker B: Yeah. So basically the broccoli sprout has thing called glucoraphinin in it and morosinase, which is the enzyme. And then when you break them up, like in a smoothie or chewing, they combine to make a compound isothiocyanate called sulfuraphane, which gives your body a little stress and so it activates these protective enzymes in your cells. Yeah. [00:30:15] Speaker C: Oh, wow. So it feels like it's kind of. [00:30:18] Speaker B: A superfood low key yeah, it's like giving yourself a little bit of poisons. Your body is like, I'll take care of it, but then takes care of other things. So the first one I did, I had too much. It was a little bit first of all, I didn't feel good. I was like, oh. So I decided to throw it up and I think it was too late. And then my temperature dropped. Oral temperature as opposed to your anal temperature? [00:30:41] Speaker D: Well, yeah, you like to get a fulsome reading, so you check all orifices. [00:30:46] Speaker B: I'm just saying I don't know what my core body temperature was doing, but I know what the temperature my mouth was, and it was below what my thermometer would read. So it was below 32.5. [00:30:54] Speaker D: You got a cold mouth. [00:30:56] Speaker B: It was cold, my body. I said, my mom like, am I cold? And she's like, yes. I was like, okay, draw a bath for me. So I got into the bath, so I got up to like 36 and I got warmed up, and then I went to bed. My temperature dropped again between the bath and the bed, and they covered me in lots of blankets. I put in fleece on. I stayed there until my body temperature stabilized. But the funny thing is, my body temperature is now higher than it used to be, like, by a degree. So I did something weird to my body, but then I felt great because I was not feeling great. And then I felt really great. And so I've been trying to have I ease back up and I'm doing maybe like half of this I will put into a shake. [00:31:32] Speaker C: Oh, I see. Yeah. [00:31:33] Speaker B: Anyway, so, like, that stress and heat. Stress. Like the sauna. [00:31:38] Speaker C: Wow, how interesting. You have to kind of push your body. [00:31:42] Speaker B: Push it. But don't push it too far because people do that with exercise sometimes, too, where they get past a bad feeling, which is good. But if they go way too far, then it's hard for your body to recover. You have to still let your body recover. But hello, puppies. Sorry, Kim's just moving her camera to the dogs. I'm not calling everybody on the podcast. Hello Puppies. If you see the YouTube version of this, see what I'm talking. Just I'm all pink, I'm all blush. [00:32:15] Speaker C: She's actually calling us a bitch. [00:32:16] Speaker B: Hello Puppies. What a change. [00:32:20] Speaker D: Like, here's my science lesson. [00:32:22] Speaker B: And then you end it with Hello Puppies. I'm also hot because I went grunge because of the book being in the 90s. I'm trying to do 90s songs for my playlist choices as well as they notice, other people also did. [00:32:37] Speaker A: Yeah, the playlist had two Nirvana songs. [00:32:39] Speaker B: Which is well, because she even talked about listening to Nirvana in the book. Yeah, totally. I know I was good. [00:32:45] Speaker C: Why did you guys choose the songs that you chose for the playlist? Is it just because she was saying that she was kind of listening to songs like that? Or is it a feeling you felt that you felt, like, the same way when you listened to the songs? [00:33:00] Speaker B: So I wanted to get songs that were mainly, like, in the 90s because of the time. But so I tried to pick out Nirvana song that had something to do with the plot. So I picked lounge act. If you listen to the lyrics, you'll get it. You'll be like, oh, yeah. Because I thought it kind of, like, described a little bit her relationship with the other boy who had lost a parent. Yeah, totally. So that's why I picked that song. And then I put Boys to Men because I was, like, looking up songs. I was like boys to men. I haven't listened to them forever. They have this song called it's so hard. Say goodbye to yesterday. So I put that on there because it's, like, perfect for the book. Part of the things about something like that, it's not just that their mom died, which is terrible. Their dad is now in jail and everything has changed their whole life. Nothing will ever be the same and nothing is ever going to be always the same. But it's such a big shift, right? So I like that song. And then Jenny was a friend of mine because of Jenna and Jenny. And that song is not from the 90s, it's from the 2000s. But it also talks about somebody being questioned, them being suspicious of what happened. So that's kind of like a crime song, I think I picked another one, but I don't remember. No, but that's why I try to look at the plot. Yeah, that's what I do. I think about that's. [00:34:11] Speaker C: Very thought out. That's cool. What about you guys? [00:34:14] Speaker D: Okay, let me think about my songs because I don't remember them because I already sent okay, I'll tell you. [00:34:20] Speaker B: Hey Joe was perfect. You picked. Hey. [00:34:21] Speaker A: Joe took a gun and killed his wife. [00:34:23] Speaker B: Because I heard you shot your lady. [00:34:26] Speaker D: Because that's what happened. [00:34:27] Speaker A: You put? Where did you sleep last night? Which also makes sense because the dad. [00:34:31] Speaker D: Said, another Nirvana song. Well, it may not be an original Nirvana, but performed by Nirvana. [00:34:37] Speaker B: Yeah, I got it. Say. And murder was the case by Snoop. [00:34:45] Speaker D: I don't think I explained why I picked these songs. [00:34:48] Speaker C: No, just the titles themselves. They're kind of self explanatory and me. [00:34:53] Speaker A: And Ashley both did. [00:34:55] Speaker B: Ashley picked it. [00:34:56] Speaker A: I was going to pick it, but then I took it off. [00:34:58] Speaker B: Was it Kicks one? [00:34:59] Speaker C: Oh, pump up kick by foster the People yes. Okay. So I specifically wanted to pick that song for the line. So, one, it's about kids, right. But it's also one of the lyrics says something like, you better outrun my. [00:35:15] Speaker D: Bullet outrun my gun faster than my bullet. [00:35:17] Speaker C: Yeah. And just the vibe of it, it really felt to me like it fit the book really well. So I thought it was really fun that you also picked it because when I was reading that was the first song that popped into my head. I was like, that has to be on the playlist. [00:35:33] Speaker B: Nice. [00:35:34] Speaker C: I also picked oh. Somebody that I Used to Know by Gote or something that fit well, too, because, like you guys were saying their lives completely changed, right? Like, it slipped 180 will never be the same. And I feel like that song saying, you're somebody that I used to Know, that's probably how they felt about their past self, their dad, even about them as siblings. [00:36:00] Speaker D: I thought that was I love that song. Have you ever heard it from American Idol? When those two people did. Oh, my God, it's the best version ever. I'm pretty sure it's Philip Phillips. [00:36:11] Speaker C: Okay. [00:36:11] Speaker D: And I don't remember who the girl is. I can't remember the girl's name. But it's so, like that was the first time I heard that song on American Idol. That was the first version I heard. That's my preference. So when I hear the what's his name gotcha or Goche or something, when I hear that version, it leaves me wanting more because what I really want is the Philip Phillip like it's like a mashup, right? They only do a minute of it instead of the whole, oh, I hate. [00:36:38] Speaker C: When covers of songs are better than the original and then you can't find them anywhere but YouTube. [00:36:44] Speaker D: Yes, that's right. [00:36:45] Speaker A: I'll put it on the show notes so people can listen to it. [00:36:48] Speaker C: Yes, me too. I do also want to mention my last song that I picked. It's an old one, but it kind of started resurfacing again last year, I think it was. But it was called running up that hill. [00:37:00] Speaker A: Running up that hill. That's a great song. [00:37:03] Speaker C: Yes. So it became popular again because it was used a lot during Stranger Things, which is huge. Right. But when my dad passed, I found that song. I was watching someone on YouTube and they had that song playing in the background. And so when my dad passed, that song was all I listened to. And I thought that was cool to add because they lost their dad around the same age too. If I was then that would be my soundtrack. [00:37:30] Speaker B: Nice. [00:37:31] Speaker A: Yeah, I love it. [00:37:32] Speaker B: I have to listen to it. I have to listen to it when we're done. All here again. [00:37:36] Speaker C: Oh yeah. I listened to the playlist because I live like half an hour from my bro. I listened to it the whole way. [00:37:41] Speaker D: Here just to get exactly. [00:37:46] Speaker A: So I picked Tupac dear Mama, obviously for many reasons. [00:37:51] Speaker B: Right. [00:37:51] Speaker D: Can't believe you guys all didn't pick it. [00:37:53] Speaker B: Yeah, embarrassing. And then mine were more about the. [00:37:58] Speaker A: Kids, so I also put oh Father by Madonna. So that was like her being like, I got away from you and now you can't hurt me anymore. And then I got no son of mine because I felt like the dad and the lawyer was trying to make Jeremy testify against and so it was like when he stood up in court and said, you're a liar. And I felt like that kind of was associated because his father was like, you're no son of mine, because you're defending your yeah. Oh, and I put I will remember you. I put that because the whole Jeremy thing, like in her studio, like reading her journals and stuff, I felt like that was kind of like, you remember me. I will remember sarah McLaughlin. [00:38:39] Speaker B: One yeah. [00:38:40] Speaker D: Do you ever have a song that's like perfect for it, but you don't want to pick it because you don't like that song? [00:38:46] Speaker B: Let's hear it. What song did you have? [00:38:48] Speaker D: No, I'm thinking about that Phil Collins song. Like, I wouldn't have picked it even though it works because I don't like it. [00:38:55] Speaker B: Right? Yeah. You want the playlist to be something you want to listen to, but exactly. Right. I wanted something, though, at the end. [00:39:04] Speaker A: For Jeremy, too, because I had something. [00:39:06] Speaker B: For Jenna, so I felt like that's a formula. [00:39:09] Speaker D: You know what, Jenna? I have to represent Jeremy. [00:39:15] Speaker B: She's always trying to manage the fairness arguments with three children. We have to make sure it's fair. So you don't even have to have the fairness discussion. That's so funny. But that's true. That's exactly what I did. [00:39:26] Speaker A: I didn't even realize it consciously, but I was like, well, if I'm representing. [00:39:29] Speaker B: Jenna, you have to represent Jeremy. You'll feel left out. [00:39:33] Speaker C: So cute. I love that. [00:39:36] Speaker B: Totally. [00:39:38] Speaker C: I love when being a mom just comes out in ways that you don't even notice it. [00:39:45] Speaker B: It wasn't conscious. But yes, that's exactly why I did it. [00:39:48] Speaker A: I was like I literally was looking. [00:39:50] Speaker B: For one for Jeremy. Part of that is our mom. When my mom comes to visit, she gives the kids let's say she brings them gummy bears. She'll give them the exact same gummy bears. Not just same number, the same color. She likes. [00:40:01] Speaker C: I'm the same way with my nephews. They get the exact same thing, same color. They get a really big chocolate, too. It's got to be the exact same. I don't care. [00:40:12] Speaker B: It just makes it easy. [00:40:13] Speaker C: Exactly right? And then it's like, even if they're fighting, oh, that's mine. That's mine. It's the same thing. [00:40:18] Speaker D: I think that's kind of funny. Back to the original kind of serious conversation about how siblings experience the same event different. I'm an only child, so perhaps I'm speaking from a privileged standpoint, not having to suffer with sharing and stealing or whatever of a sibling. But if someone got me the same gift, exact same gift as someone else because they just wanted it to be fair, I'd be like, you don't even know me. [00:40:44] Speaker B: But you know what? The parents save themselves so much greed as a kid. Why do you always get us the same we don't want to look exactly the same all the time. And we're always like, it's the worst. And as an adult now, I'm just like, yes. I just wish everybody get my kids the exact same thing every time. They're like, but she's got that, and she's got that. And I was like, no, we're not playing this game. You can just have nothing. [00:41:05] Speaker C: Then it's always, you want what you can't have. [00:41:08] Speaker B: Totally. [00:41:08] Speaker C: If you got the same thing, you're like, oh, I wanted different things. You get different things. You're like, well, they have something I don't have. Now you're never winning with kids. [00:41:18] Speaker D: Well, that's what I was going to say too. They're fighting over the same thing anyway, so the conversations about, I don't know, sharing or life's not fair. So it's not your fucking birthday. You don't get a present. [00:41:31] Speaker B: You know what I mean? Like, whatever. [00:41:33] Speaker D: Instead of just trying to avoid it by coming up with other moves. [00:41:38] Speaker B: But you don't win either way. [00:41:40] Speaker A: So whatever you do, but just a. [00:41:41] Speaker B: Little bit of peace every once in a while, you're just like, oh, now we don't have to deal with that right now. They're going to fight over it anyway. But just maybe less, maybe. [00:41:50] Speaker D: Hopefully. [00:41:51] Speaker B: Please. [00:41:52] Speaker A: I want to bring up one thing yes. [00:41:54] Speaker B: About the book. Yeah. [00:41:56] Speaker A: And this is a spoiler. What did you guys think about the end? How he named everyone after his sister. [00:42:03] Speaker B: Jennifer, his dead sister, that he felt responsible for her death even though he wasn't because he was a child and she fell off from a tree? Yeah, it was kind of creepy, right? That the two kids died with the same yeah, he kind of seemed like a piece of work anyway. Like he's sleeping with his clients. [00:42:20] Speaker C: I almost feel like they were trying to justify making him a bad person or something like his origin story, if that makes sense. [00:42:29] Speaker B: But, I mean, that's what happens, right? Anybody? He's really, really messed up. Something happened that messed them up. Imagine, like, you said you didn't like a name, and he goes behind your back and names your kid, the name that you said you don't want divorce. [00:42:41] Speaker C: Yeah. We'd be going to the courthouse. [00:42:43] Speaker B: And then you find out that he had a daughter that was named that before who died and a sister. What? I liked that the girl in the end changed her name. She's like, I don't really want to be named after two dead people. And I was like, Good for you. [00:42:58] Speaker C: Oh, totally taking her power back, right? [00:43:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:00] Speaker A: And she decided to name herself after the name her mother was going to name. [00:43:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:43:06] Speaker A: I didn't know her mother. [00:43:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:09] Speaker C: That's so beautiful. Kind of going back to your question, though, I do think I don't know, sometimes when I'm reading or watching a show where they're like and I feel like I'm responsible for this person's death, and it's like they were probably going to die whether you were there or not. That's kind of how I felt. Were you really the reason? [00:43:31] Speaker B: But I think people do feel that. They think, what could I have done? That negotiating part of grief, that if you never really get past it, then what if I had done something different? And some people just never get past that. They always think that, and they never fully grieve. [00:43:46] Speaker D: I think they also were establishing him as a narcissist, and so that's something a narcissist would do, too, is like, oh, this death is about me. That person died, but I'm cursed. Yeah, I'm the victim, but I'm the. [00:43:59] Speaker C: One who's experiencing all the emotions from. [00:44:01] Speaker D: I'll name all of my children Jennifer from now on. [00:44:06] Speaker B: When Jenna was hugging him, and it was a little too long and a little too adult of a hug, and. [00:44:13] Speaker A: The fact that he admitted at the end that he was, like, making me put suntan lotion on you, and you. [00:44:19] Speaker B: Were so beautiful, and I was having weird feelings, I was like, well, good thing she got away from you. [00:44:25] Speaker C: I totally agree. I was uncomfortable reading it. I couldn't even imagine being experiencing that. [00:44:32] Speaker A: Or even a mom watching it. No wonder the mom was like, I got to get her out. [00:44:36] Speaker B: The mom had, like, good instincts, though, right? Yeah, I got to get her out too far. [00:44:42] Speaker C: Yeah, it had a lot of good topics in there. And it was banned having something like that in there, too. I didn't know as a kid what was like, you know, when, you know, behavior is bad, but no one ever told me certain behaviors were bad. To have it in a book like that where it's being written, this isn't okay, this is creepy. [00:45:05] Speaker B: It's kind of nice that there's books out there that maybe a kid could read and be like, yes. Oh, okay. It's not just me with my spidey sense thinking something's weird. Everyone thinks that's wrong. [00:45:15] Speaker C: Exactly. [00:45:16] Speaker B: Other people think it's wrong. I'm having a good intuition. Sometimes people want to shield kids from the evil world, the horrors of the world, but they're probably going to see some of them eventually. So at what point is it okay for them to read it? And this kind of stuff happens to 1214 year olds, so why not read a book about it? Yeah. [00:45:35] Speaker C: And to read it from the children's perspective, instead of the parents being like, oh, and I saw this happen to my daughter, this is how I felt. It's kind of coming from her being like, this is what I was experiencing. Right. And to also see that your other parent should stick up for you, your guardian should be protecting you. Which sometimes in the things that I listen to or read, that doesn't happen a lot. I hear so many stories where a child was being abused or something was a little off. The other parent knew, but just kind of brushed it off. [00:46:11] Speaker D: And that's not it's like denial. Right. They're hoping so bad that it's not true. [00:46:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:16] Speaker C: And it's the worst case because you're hurting a child. [00:46:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:21] Speaker C: It's some dark stuff, for sure. [00:46:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:24] Speaker D: On that note, this concludes it does, pretty much. [00:46:28] Speaker B: I'm like on that note, on a. [00:46:30] Speaker C: Really sad note, would you guys recommend it? [00:46:34] Speaker B: Nice. Say that. Okay. [00:46:36] Speaker C: Thank you. [00:46:36] Speaker A: Okay, Ashley, you go first. [00:46:38] Speaker C: So I would recommend it for the age group around that age. I don't think I would really recommend it to anyone out of high school. For me, it was a little too young of a read, but I did like how quick it went by, just how short the book was. It kind of got to the punches in a good amount of time for me. So depending on the age, I would. [00:47:02] Speaker A: Recommend so for me, I said the same thing. I was like, It's a so so because I wouldn't really recommend it for me. But for a young adult or someone that age group, I think it's great. Hits a lot of topics. If someone's grieving about a parent that died, it's perfect. But yes, I wasn't running to read it. [00:47:20] Speaker B: It wasn't complicated. [00:47:21] Speaker A: Like an adult book would be with a similar topic. [00:47:24] Speaker C: Yeah, they laid it all out. [00:47:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:27] Speaker A: What do you think? [00:47:28] Speaker D: Would I recommend it? I wouldn't not recommend it, but I don't know if I'm willing to go so far as to say I would recommend so I'm going to stay there in that little space. [00:47:41] Speaker C: If someone has a book and they're like, Should I read it? You'd be like, yeah, amazon for a month. [00:47:48] Speaker D: You have it. I mean, it's short. [00:47:50] Speaker C: If you have nothing else to do. [00:47:53] Speaker B: I have so many copies. [00:47:57] Speaker D: Do you need a copy? [00:47:58] Speaker B: You can have one. I recommend if you'll buy like I'll give it away. [00:48:02] Speaker C: It's free. [00:48:03] Speaker B: Yeah, you can give it to me. [00:48:05] Speaker C: Oh, that's funny. [00:48:07] Speaker A: What about you, Mary? [00:48:08] Speaker B: I feel like I'm the same. I didn't dislike it. It was short. It was a fast read. I will not read it again. That is the measure for me. Will I read it again? And I brought this into the sun and someone's like, into the son. I was like, you know, I'm not going to read this again. That's what I told them. So it's fine. It's not one of those beloved that you take off the shelf again. [00:48:27] Speaker C: I feel the same way about it. [00:48:28] Speaker B: But, yeah, I understand the age because it'd be an interesting to do at school, but do it as a discussion book with people, right. Like, it's an interesting book to discuss. Like Kim, I wouldn't say don't read it. Oh, cool. [00:48:41] Speaker C: I like that. We're all on the same page. [00:48:43] Speaker A: We're off to the hunger games and Ashley is joining. [00:48:54] Speaker C: When I heard it, that was so. [00:48:56] Speaker D: You had me at ashley's coming. [00:48:58] Speaker B: Yes. I'm very excited, you guys. The fan becomes the member. [00:49:04] Speaker C: And I'm so happy to be one. [00:49:06] Speaker A: This interruption is brought to you by unpublished do you want to know more about the members in book interrupted, go behind the scenes. Visit our website at www.bookinterrupted.com. [00:49:19] Speaker D: Book interrupted. Okay, here is a really crazy interruption. I now do not mind the interruption of cleaning my cat litter because I have found the perfect way to do it. So what normally would have been a terrible interruption that I would want to avoid and potentially self fulfilling prophecy would leave too long and get extra stinky. I now with joy, do every single day. And they're not a sponsor, but they should be because pretty litter has like, changed my life. It's super expensive, but it's so worth it because the litter literally doesn't smell at all. And I got one of those cat litter boxes that has like a sifter on it. And so those two products combined make litter box cleaning a dream. So there you go, my fellow cat lovers out there, get yourself some pretty litter and a sifter box and enjoy your life. Book interrupted. [00:50:23] Speaker A: It's book report time. We're going to find out from each member their final thoughts and do they recommend the book? Let's listen. [00:50:31] Speaker C: Hey, everyone, this is Ashley and this is my second personal journal for when dad killed mom. And now that I've finished the whole book, I have a few thoughts. And one of it is, I wish I read this book when I was the same age because for those of you who don't know, my dad passed when I was I just turned 13. And some of the things that they're talking about in this book. I related to a lot then, and I didn't really have any friends who had gone through similar things, so I really understand the girl in the book when she's talking about how it's hard to talk to people when they haven't gone through a similar experience, especially at such a young age. That's something that's really hard to wrap your head around, but it was kind of nice and therapeutic in that way for me. I feel like it almost helped heal my inner child a little bit. So that was really nice. And overall, the book was okay. I probably wouldn't read the book again myself. I kind of try and divide books into will I read again, read it once, but wouldn't read it again and wish I never read it at all. And this one for me is in the middle. I'm happy I read the book, and I would recommend it to kids of that age. And I don't think it should have been banned because it talks about a lot of really important topics, in my opinion. I don't know why that's not more normalized for children. Going through puberty in itself and just family dynamic changes is a lot to deal with. And now that we have the Internet, there's a lot of resources, but sometimes just reading it from people that are supposed to be around your age makes it easier, in my opinion, versus hearing it from adults, which is what I heard a lot. I heard a lot of feedback just from adults. So I liked that it was from the kids point of view. Did I like the ending? Yeah, I think so. I thought it was a little predictable, and I don't know if that's because I read a lot of crime and mystery novels with that you kind of just pick up things when you're thinking about foreshadowing. So, yeah, it was okay. It was not bad. I honestly would have been happy if my nephew read this at the same time and we talked about it because I would love to get their opinion. They're a little too young still, though, my oldest nephew, who is just turning nine, so I don't know, maybe when they're in middle school or something. But I don't think this deserved to be banned. I've read a ton of other more gruesome books that aren't banned in school, so I don't know why this one is happy I picked it, and I'm even happier that I'm on the podcast and I can't wait to hear what the other girls think. Thank you guys for listening. [00:53:33] Speaker D: Okay, I think there was suspicion that I might be getting two books in my last check in, and I want to update you. [00:53:42] Speaker B: I did. [00:53:42] Speaker D: I got two, and so I sent one to Meredith because she didn't have one, so that worked out well. I have a hard time deciding if I like this book or not. I don't not like it. Basically what happened was I bought a bunch of books, like a bunch of books that I really want to read now, the books that we are reading this season, I also want to read for the podcast, but some of them maybe I wouldn't have picked by myself. And so I would classify them as a book that someone else wants me to read. And I historically have problems with that. Like in high school, if I was assigned a book that was not in my interest group, a science fiction, for example, like 1984 man or what else? The Hobbit. Those were hard to read. I don't even think I finished the Hobit. But anyway, the point is that I have a hard time reading a book that I didn't want to read or that I didn't pick. I didn't initially decide I want to read that, so I bought a bunch of books that I did decide I wanted to read, and I was so excited to start them. And so that is what made me this is my whole point. Like, long story short, too late. I went to bed looking forward to reading when dad killed mom, but not because I was enjoying the book, because it was going to get me to the books I actually wanted to read. I just wanted to finish it. And I think it might just be because it's young adult, maybe. I felt like there was a couple stories or plot twists or what I don't even know what you would call them that were planted almost like seeds that didn't come to fruition, which whatever. [00:55:12] Speaker B: But I don't know. [00:55:13] Speaker D: In some cases, I want the book to go farther with those things. Like, why'd you even say that if you weren't going to make it a thing? I was considering it after. Maybe the author wanted to make the reader think something and then it wasn't true. I don't know. I just don't even want to really spend that much time thinking about it because, like my experience of reading it, which was kind of rushing through the end of it so I could get to what I really wanted to read, it's the same thing. I don't want to spend a lot of time thinking and talking about this because there are so many more interesting things to think and talk about. How terrible is that? I'm sorry, Ashley, if the book wasn't bad, it was like a young adult book, so it was what you would expect that to be. And I think Sarah said it well in the group conversation. It wasn't complex and maybe that's what it is because I'm so complex and I need a lot of complexity in my reading. Not true. But anyway, it's something like that. You know what a good young adult book is? I think I already manuscript Monday to this but holes by Louis Thatcher satcher that. Is a good book, and that, I would argue, is moderately complex. So if you haven't read that book, read it. If you're wanting to have a young adult novel, it's probably even younger than young adult. But anyway, if you want to have a book that's not for grown ups traditionally, and read it and see, that's the one, it's really, really good. And don't watch the movie first. Just read the book. So good. So that concludes my book report on holes. Just kidding. So, yes, When Dad Killed Mom, like I said already in the show, I wouldn't not recommend it, and I'm sticking to it. [00:56:51] Speaker A: Okay, so this is my final book report number two for When Dad Killed Mom. So, first of all, the book was really quick. I read it as an audiobook because I couldn't get the physical book, and it was a very quick read. It was less of a murder mystery and more of a book about how these children were dealing with grief. It's very clearly a young adult book. It's just not really complicated, like, maybe an adult book would be. So that made it a really quick, easy read as well. There's a couple things I really liked about the book. I really liked the ending of the book. The courtroom scene was great. Throughout the book, they kind of imply that there was some abuse going on between Jenna and her father. And you don't find out till the end what the issue was between Jenna and her father. So I like that there was a kind of a surprise at the end. I won't ruin it for those of you who are still reading. Yeah, I like that part of the book. I like how the book kind of describes how each child is dealing with their grief. So I think that's really what it was more about. I'm not sure why it was banned. There was also a part that I really liked at the end, the grandfather saying that people act a certain way based on their parents and their parents parents, and then people they don't even know through their ancestry. So I thought that was kind of cool. I think basically this book is good for helping younger people deal with and understand people going through grief when they've lost their parents when they're young. So as for the book, though, I would just give it a soso. It wasn't one of those books that I was, like, running back to read. I couldn't wait to find out what happens. It just wasn't that book for me, so I just give it a so. It wasn't a great read for me, but maybe it's just because I'm not the demographic for the book. [00:58:36] Speaker B: Okay, off to the next book, Hunger Games. So we've wrapped up our fan book, which was called When Dad Killed Mom, and we just finished the group discussion. So when you saw me last, or rather heard from me last. I hadn't really started the book. I didn't know very much about it. I'd found the audiobook. In the meantime, Kim has sent me a copy. I read the book and I'm fully prepared to talk about it. And now that I'm here, I'm not really sure what I want to talk about. It was a juvenile novel, so it's aimed for younger people. So twelve plus. I don't think I'll read it again, but doesn't mean that I didn't enjoy it. I don't know if I would recommend it necessarily, because most of the people I recommend books to are not juveniles. So that's fine. I like that it approached these serious subjects in a respectful way to young people, like it wasn't trying to sugarcoat things. I believe a really realistic portrayal of what two young people might be going through when their mother died at the hands of their father, and the conflicts that come from there as well, how they responded to it differently. So the children are really presented as their own individuals that are responding to grief in their own way. And I think that our culture has a tendency to want to shield children from grief because things like death and murder do seem like very adult subjects. But that doesn't mean that a child is not going to experience that in some facet of their life, especially just death. Back in the day when I was a kid, we went to funerals. But I know that not everybody allows kids to go to funerals. One loved ones die because I want to shield them from grieving. And I'm not sure if that kind of sentiment had a hand in this getting banned or not, but there were adultish themes. But let's face it, once you're twelve, you are becoming an adult. So eventually you're going to have to learn about this stuff. And a book is maybe a safe place to explore some of these themes before you're thrust into them just because of your living life. So the book is set in the end. [01:00:50] Speaker A: Spoiler alert. [01:00:52] Speaker B: The one character, the daughter, wants to create a website because she's feeling very misunderstood alone. It almost feels like all of her friends don't really know what she's going through because she only knows one other person who kind of went through something similar by losing a parent. And she gets the idea that it might be nice to have a place where other kids who feel kind of that loneliness can go and tell their story and feel like they belong. So she develops this website and it's interesting. In the 90s people were just starting to do that and the internet wasn't what it is today. It makes you wonder, or makes me wonder if that whole process of losing a parent and stuff is maybe a little bit different because there's so much available now on the Internet, good and bad. There might be places, many places, somebody can go to talk to somebody from far away who's going through something similar and feel like they belong. But there might also be places where somebody who's grieving and suffering and dealing with all these conflicting feelings might be preyed upon. So it'd be interesting to see a story similar to this but set in the present day with all those other complicated factors and I don't really know what that would be, but it would definitely change the story because this story is more about in person relationships. I imagine that if it was set in present day, there'd be a lot of talking to people about your feelings on the phone. Not talking on the phone, but messaging and stuff like that. Anyway, it was nice to have a book that was a little bit different for the fan book and looking forward to doing The Hunger Games. [01:02:31] Speaker A: Thank you for joining us on this episode of Book Interrupted. If you'd like to see the video highlights from this episode, please go to our YouTube channel Book Interrupted. You can also find our videos on www.bookinterrupted.com. [01:02:46] Speaker D: Can't get enough of the Book Interrupted crew? There's a YouTube channel for that? You guessed it. Bookinterrupted YouTube channel has a bunch of extra footage to explore. You can see behind the scenes of making of Book Interrupted or just listen to one of our playlists. You can also find all episodes sneak peeks and silly videos featuring the Book Interrupted members. If you like what you see, give us a like and subscribe so we can stay connected and share more. Book Interrupted YouTube channel filling the void between episodes. [01:03:18] Speaker A: Moments you can look forward to on next week's Book Interrupted. Welcome to this off the shelf episode where we are going to pull tarot. [01:03:26] Speaker D: Cards and then when you feel comfortable or when you feel like it's time anyways, maybe when you feel uncomfortable, that might be the best time. You don't have to be ashamed, I guess. Whatever you've done. [01:03:36] Speaker B: My God. Yeah. [01:03:36] Speaker A: My word was going to be ashamed. [01:03:39] Speaker C: I need that so bad. [01:03:42] Speaker B: Thanks. I'm glad I told you to pick a card. I almost killed my money plant. So that's not great. [01:03:49] Speaker D: That was foreshadowing. [01:03:50] Speaker B: Yeah. This isn't good. I shouldn't have bought that. I don't want to know. [01:03:54] Speaker D: Book Interrupted. Never forget every child matters.