When Dad Killed Mom Episode 1

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Are you really connecting with a particular Book Interrupted member and want to hear more of what they have to say? With your free trial to unpublished, you gain access to the Book Interrupted inklings and real life video content of our day to day challenges. Thoughts and opinions. Go to WW bookinterrupted.com backslash unpublished to start your free trial today. [00:00:22] Speaker B: Parental guidance is recommended because because this episode has mature topics and strong language, here are some moments you can look forward to during this episode of Book Interrupted. [00:00:33] Speaker C: So, yeah, my name is Ashley and the book that I've chosen is called When Dad Killed Mom about me saying. [00:00:40] Speaker D: How it's written like a fiction. Oh, that's because it is a fiction. [00:00:44] Speaker E: Yeah, gives you endorphins. You're more like sensitive to it. So, like, the things that make you happy, you're happier. [00:00:49] Speaker F: I don't think that genital references warrants a banning, depending on the age. [00:00:54] Speaker C: Yeah, so people who have high porosity hair need protein. [00:00:59] Speaker E: It was like the beginning of a murder mystery book. [00:01:01] Speaker C: I don't know if this is TMI. [00:01:03] Speaker E: But when I my vagina when I draw my vagina and describe it in. [00:01:08] Speaker C: Detail yeah, when I publicly post it. [00:01:12] Speaker G: My body has soul information is trying to learn something new without mind, body and soul information is trying to learn something without being disrupted. Mind, body and soul inspiration is with us and we're going to talk it out on Book Interrupted. [00:01:46] Speaker B: Welcome to Book Interrupted, a book club for busy people to connect and one that celebrates life's interruptions. During this banned book cycle. We're reading Ashley's fan book pick when dad Killed Mom by Julius Lester. This book was banned for sexual content and genital references. If you'd like to follow along, this book cycle is from February 1 to April 1. [00:02:10] Speaker A: The book When Dad Killed Mom by Julius Lester tells, through two first person narrative voices, the story of siblings Jeremy and Jenna coping with the traumatic events of their mother's murder at the alleged hands of their father. The novel was initially banned in 2002 by Wyoming's Teaton County of Education in a controversial vote by the school board. The sexual content and genital references were cited as the reasons that the book was initially banned. However, not all board members were in favor of the ban. As a result of this ban, questions were raised about the system used to identify books for banning. In the same year as the Ban Lester's novel won selection for the Young Adult Library Services Association's. Quick picks for reluctant Young adult readers as well. It was chosen for the Boston Globe Horn Book Award and the Newberry Honor Medal. [00:03:05] Speaker B: All right, so it's personal journal time. Let's see what the members of Book Interrupted thought outside the group. [00:03:11] Speaker C: Hey, this is Ashley. I'm the guest for this season of the podcast. Kim is the one who graciously introduced me to the lovely podcast, and I couldn't be more excited to be a part of it. The book I chose is called When Dad Killed Mom by Julius Lester. It's a fiction novel that was banned in 2002 by the school board due to the graphic description of genitals and sexual content. I chose this book because I love anything crime related, and I've really been enjoying books that have two or more perspectives of the same story. I think it's really fascinating to see how people can go through the same situation and have two completely different views on it, so I think that's really cool about the book as well. I'm a little nervous that it may be too juvenile for the podcast just due to some places I've seen it's rated as children's literature, some as young adults, and originally when I looked it up, it said that it was a picture book. So I'm not sure if there's a picture book that also goes along with this, but I've only read a few of the first chapters and so far I'm not minding the pacing, but it is quite a short book. So I think even if it is a little too young for us, at least it'll go by pretty quickly reading anyways. I am currently reading a copy of the book. I typically listen to audiobooks, but I found a copy of the book on Google Books, so I figured that was kind of a great place to start and easier to follow along with, with two different perspectives and kind of the timelines as well. I'm very excited to hear what everyone else's initial thoughts are and to see if anyone's actually started reading the book or if they're kind of waiting until after our first meeting too. And I can't wait to film with everyone and get the ball rolling. I'm very happy and thankful to be a guest on the podcast. So thank you for listening and I hope you enjoy reading along with us. [00:05:23] Speaker F: Okay, this is my first personal journal for when dad killed mom by Lester someone. [00:05:32] Speaker A: Lester Lawrence. [00:05:34] Speaker F: I can't remember. [00:05:35] Speaker A: I don't have the book yet. [00:05:37] Speaker F: So this personal journal is purely improvised in that I think I'll like it. I'm usually pretty interested in that kind of a dark topic. The thing that's funny is that I learned today it is not a memoir, which is fine, but I know that other people also thought it was a memoir and have spoken about it, so that'll be funny to hear. Without having the book, I don't know what else to say. Maybe I'll tell the story of the trials and tribulations of trying to acquire When Dad Killed Mom. So I bought it on Amazon and I thought I was good to go. And then I got a message, like an email message later that said my payment was declined or my card was declined. So I was like, what the hell? So then I tried again and it wouldn't work. So then I tried a different seller because I thought maybe the seller of. [00:06:33] Speaker A: The book was the problem. [00:06:35] Speaker F: Also, the reason why I didn't think it was a problem with my card is because I bought another book at the same time and that one appeared to have gone through. So I had one book that was fine and then one book that my card wouldn't work for, so I thought the seller was declining because they maybe didn't have the book or something. And then I found out the next day that the other book was declined, so I was like, oh, maybe it's my card. In between that, I asked Sarah to order it for me and send it to me because I didn't know what was going on and to see if her card got declined. And then the next day my other book got declined. So then I realized, oh, it's a card problem, called my card and the company had shut it down for whatever reason. And so now I think I'm going to end up with multiple copies of the book because I canceled one of my two orders. When the card got declined, I canceled one order and then made the second order to try with a different vendor. And now I've gotten notifications even though I got a confirmation of cancellation, I've got notifications that two books are coming and I've been charged twice and I can't even bother to deal with it because I'm so irritated by the whole situation that I'm just going to have two copies of the book and laugh about it. The book I thought I couldn't get, now I can't get enough of, does that make sense? The book I thought I couldn't get, now I can't not get multiple times. Anyway, I'm sure it'll be a good read. [00:08:00] Speaker B: All right, so this is my intro PJ for when Mum killed dad. [00:08:06] Speaker D: So I such a hard time even saying the title of the book I. [00:08:09] Speaker B: Keep on referring to as the fan book. And I think just because the title seems very violent, I've started the book and I was actually kind of relieved. I thought it was going to be written as a memoir and someone's writing about something that happened to them in the past, past tense, not present tense. And what the book is, is more written like a fiction book. So it's not by one person, it's by two people about the son who's twelve and the daughter who's 14. And each chapter kind of goes back and forth between the two children and their perspective concerning their father killing their mother and their experiences with that and their thoughts and feelings associated with that. But as it's happening so in present tense, it's happening to them right now and it's going back and forth between two of the main characters. So it's not written like a memoir normally is, where it's more of memories. So it makes it a bit easier. [00:09:14] Speaker D: To read, I guess. [00:09:16] Speaker B: I'm worried about some of the little seeds that it's planted so far concerning why the father killed the mother, and I'm afraid there's going to be a lot more trauma coming up in this book that's going to be difficult to read. However, who knows, because already it's easier to read than I thought it would be, if that makes any sense. It's not really going over the violence at this point, it's just what the kids perspectives are on how people treat them and how they're missing their parents and those kind of things and the emotions you go through with grief. So that's what's happening right now. The book is keeping me engaged that way and not shying away from it. It's a short book, so I'm already 40% through it, so it'll be fairly quick to get through the whole book and I'm interested to see what the other people think. And I'm really excited to discuss the book with Ashley and why she picked it and a little bit of background there. So yeah, I guess that's just a short little personal journal. Looking forward to talking about it with the group. [00:10:23] Speaker H: I don't know if I'm really prepared for season three because you kind of change things up a bit. And normally this personal journal I talk about what I think the book is going to bring, but since there's not going to be three of these, there's only going to be two, then I. [00:10:40] Speaker E: Want to be more prepared next time. [00:10:42] Speaker H: What I do know so far is that it is a fiction and the narrators or the perspectives of stories are coming from are for a twelve and 14 year old. So when I first saw that this book is supposed to be for twelve years plus, I thought it was a little OD considering the subject matter. [00:11:00] Speaker E: Not that like a twelve year old. [00:11:01] Speaker H: Can'T handle knowing about murder, but yeah, I don't know, maybe it's just because I'm getting older. If I was twelve I would read about murder. I used to read a lot of Stephen King when I was twelve, so I handled it back then. I really like scary books, but it makes sense that the characters are twelve and 14, so maybe it would connect with a younger ish audience. I think it'll be the easier read since it's a fiction and not a memoir. Although if it was a memoir, I'd still read it obviously. And I'm really excited to have Ashley on the podcast. We just finished the group discussion and she's so nice and she gets along with the group really well and she's funny. I'm looking forward to this book cycle with her partially because she's going to be on. So that's about all I have to say. I have the audiobook, we'll see how that goes. Hopefully maybe in the meantime I can get the physical book as well. Again, I don't feel organized for season three right now. I'm not really like in the groove yet, but I plan on getting there. So in fact, feeling so disorganized for this book, I've ordered ahead one of our other books so that I'll have more to say to you all when the time comes. [00:12:15] Speaker E: Okay, signing off. [00:12:17] Speaker B: This interruption is brought to you by unpublished do you want to know more about the members in Book Interrupted? Go behind the scenes, visit our website at www.bookinterrupted.com. [00:12:31] Speaker E: Book interrupted the unexpected happened. [00:12:35] Speaker H: I got sick. [00:12:36] Speaker E: Usually I just keep on keeping on. [00:12:37] Speaker H: When I'm sick and this time that. [00:12:40] Speaker E: Didn'T seem to work. [00:12:41] Speaker H: I just got them getting sicker and in good adult fashion, instead of taking care of myself, I instead waited until I was literally falling over to go see a doctor and turns out I had a double ear infection, which explained. [00:12:57] Speaker E: The headaches and the pain down my. [00:12:59] Speaker H: Neck and again, the falling over. So goodbye week. Instead, I just end up staying in bed and my kids watch lots of movies. So, hey, what are you going to do? These things happen. [00:13:10] Speaker B: Book Interrupted let's listen in to this episode's group discussion. [00:13:16] Speaker F: This is, I think oh, no, it's not. I was going to be like, this is the first episode of season three, but it's not. [00:13:23] Speaker E: It is potentially the nerd. [00:13:27] Speaker D: Again, four or four. [00:13:28] Speaker F: So in true third, the nerd fashion, I'd like to introduce you to our fan Ashley, and she has chosen a book for this book cycle, which I'm going to let her tell you what it is. [00:13:40] Speaker C: Thank you, Kim. My name is Ashley, and the book that I've chosen is called When Dad Killed Mom by Julius Lester. I'm not too sure if you guys have started reading it or not. I'm very excited about the book because I know that Sarah had said we're doing banned books and I think that is so fun to do. And I'm very drawn towards books that have a murder or mystery element to it and I've never read a book about a murder or mystery from the kids perspective. So that's really what drew me to this is kind of getting two perspectives on the story. So, yeah, I'm very excited about it. [00:14:21] Speaker F: Well, we're happy to have you. [00:14:23] Speaker C: Thank you. [00:14:24] Speaker F: And I'm kind of surprised when I was looking for band books that I wanted to nominate for this, you know, did official Google search or whatever, and basically the same kind of set of books really came up and I never saw this. [00:14:40] Speaker C: Oh, okay. [00:14:41] Speaker F: Yeah, I'm excited to read it, too. Sarah just revealed in the pre conversation that it's not a memoir, so I had also falsely assumed that it was a memoir, too. [00:14:53] Speaker C: Oh, really? Oh, interesting. [00:14:55] Speaker D: Yeah, I thought it was. [00:14:58] Speaker C: What about it made you think that it was a memoir? [00:15:00] Speaker F: Just because, I don't know, when dad killed mom, I was, oh, like, who is this guy Julius Lester? I'm sorry that your dad killed your mom. [00:15:09] Speaker D: Well, I'm going to have to rerecord my personal journal because my personal journal is like, you know what? I thought this is going to be a really hard book to read because it's a memoir, but it's written like a fiction. And the whole personal journal is about me saying how it's written like a fiction. And then I just looked up before we came on and I was like, oh, that's because it is a fiction. [00:15:31] Speaker E: It is a fiction. [00:15:32] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:15:33] Speaker E: I think you should not rerecord it. I think you should go in and. [00:15:37] Speaker C: Just say, yes, I agree. [00:15:38] Speaker E: Quick correction before you listen to it, it is not a memoir, it's a fiction. And here we go. You should just do a little intro because I think it's good. [00:15:46] Speaker G: Okay. [00:15:47] Speaker E: Because how many times does that happen to people? [00:15:49] Speaker G: Oh, totally. [00:15:49] Speaker E: It happens all the time. [00:15:50] Speaker F: And it's an authentic personal journal. [00:15:52] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:15:53] Speaker C: If two people felt that way about it, I mean, who knows? People listening might look at the book and be like, what a fail. Why are they reading this? [00:16:01] Speaker G: Totally. [00:16:02] Speaker C: And then it's nonfiction. [00:16:03] Speaker G: Right. [00:16:03] Speaker F: So yeah, because I haven't even got the book yet. Also, do you know that it's incredibly difficult to get? [00:16:09] Speaker G: Yes. [00:16:10] Speaker C: That was one of the things that I was talking to Sarah about when I picked the book. I wanted to make sure that it was that nobody could get it. I wanted to make it as hard as possible for you. [00:16:21] Speaker E: I want my book to go up in value, and then I can sell. [00:16:24] Speaker F: It to you because there's only one in circulation. [00:16:30] Speaker C: It's $50 per book, and you pay for shipping, so just let me know. [00:16:37] Speaker E: It'S stockpile. I bought them all. [00:16:40] Speaker C: For real. I went to Amazon and I bought the last five books. Yeah, but I honestly was surprised, too, because it's only from 2001. So to me, I'm like, that's not even that old, but you can't find it. But I'm not sure if it was a very popular book when it came out. [00:16:58] Speaker F: How did you find it? [00:17:00] Speaker C: So I actually Googled list of books that were banned. [00:17:04] Speaker E: Yeah, but that's what I did. And we all did that. [00:17:07] Speaker C: Yeah. Originally, when we had first discussed the banned books, immediately I was like, I want to do The Hunger Games, but I know someone else had already picked it. So I was going through the list and I basically looked into every book where the title piqued my interest. I was reading it. Some of the other summaries of books, they didn't really catch my interest too much once I actually read it. And this one, if you look at the array of books that I have read in the past, or even the podcasts that I listen to, the YouTube videos, it's all about murder. Not to be creepy about it, but I'm so fascinated by it. I think they make really good books and I do really like books that are told from different point of views, perspectives, like, of the same story. [00:17:58] Speaker G: Does it do that? [00:17:59] Speaker C: Yes, it tells it from the children's perspective. And there's a son and a daughter. [00:18:04] Speaker G: Cool. [00:18:05] Speaker C: I don't know if any of you have started reading it, but the very first sentences, my mom is dead. My dad murdered her. What a powerful we're starting it off with a bang. So, yeah, that's kind of how I went through the process. And I know it kind of has a very jarring title. Like when dad killed mom. [00:18:24] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:18:25] Speaker D: So the title I didn't even want to say the title because I thought once again, I thought it was memorable. I'm like, this is going to be horrible. When dad killed mom. And it's going to be super violent. [00:18:34] Speaker C: And then I just pick the worst book. [00:18:38] Speaker D: And then I started reading it. I like that, too. Two perspectives of the same thing. Right away, it doesn't lead up to the killing. It's like you're in it. First page is like, this happened, and then the kids perspective of how their lives are going now. [00:18:53] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:18:54] Speaker D: And make sense of it and stuff like that. It's interesting. But the title is very jarring. [00:19:00] Speaker C: I think one thing I was even telling my brother, I was like, yeah, this is the book. And he was like, that's not the title, is it? Yeah, it is. And he was like, oh, you could have picked a better one. [00:19:11] Speaker F: But it is the title. [00:19:13] Speaker C: Yeah, but this book, it has my name written all over it. These are the types of books that I really like to read. It's a relatively short book. It's just over 200 pages. But I figured that would be good because I'm also in school right now. I didn't want to pick up something that was like 500 pages. [00:19:29] Speaker F: Totally. [00:19:30] Speaker C: But you were talking about how it is hard to find. They do have the Google Books has, like, the first three quarters of the book online. I can send you guys the link to that. That's what I've been reading from. [00:19:43] Speaker F: Well, that's great. [00:19:44] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:19:44] Speaker C: So I don't know how we're going to finish the last little bit. [00:19:46] Speaker F: Mine's on the nice, maybe because I had quite a experience trying to friggin order it, too. At one point, Sarah ordered it for me, and then I canceled it. And she canceled it. By the way, both of my books that I tried to order are now coming, so I might get two copies of this very rare awesome, and then. [00:20:05] Speaker E: You can sell it at a high price, just like Ashley. [00:20:07] Speaker C: That's what I'm saying. You got to make some competition. [00:20:10] Speaker F: Yeah. [00:20:11] Speaker E: It's supposed to be here by the. [00:20:13] Speaker F: End of January, so I'm not worried about it, but I'm glad a piece of it's online. Worst case scenario, right? [00:20:18] Speaker C: A lot of it is online. I purchased it on Amazon, too, but it's not coming to me yet for, I think another week and a half. [00:20:26] Speaker G: Yeah, same. [00:20:27] Speaker C: So I was originally going to listen to it on Audible, but I just Googled like the PDF and it pops up. So I can totally send that to you guys. So you have something while you're waiting. [00:20:38] Speaker E: For it to show up? [00:20:39] Speaker F: Yeah, because Sarah's doing audible. [00:20:42] Speaker E: Do you have a copy yet? No. So I kind of put off getting my to do list is long over. The last couple weeks I'm trying to catch up and I was like, oh, it's going to take a while to get here. I was like, well, maybe I can get an audiobook. Although I don't prefer Audiobooks. [00:20:57] Speaker F: Same. [00:20:58] Speaker E: If the voice isn't similar to the voice in my head or better. Yeah, it's got to be better than. [00:21:01] Speaker H: The voices I put in my head. [00:21:03] Speaker C: Oh, hey, that's fair. [00:21:05] Speaker E: Yeah, right? If I'm going to listen to it. [00:21:07] Speaker H: The wrong narrator will just destroy a book. Like I won't want to listen to it. [00:21:11] Speaker C: That's so funny you say that, but. [00:21:13] Speaker H: Maybe I could do some reading and. [00:21:15] Speaker E: Then some listening and I can finish it off because actually I got the audiobook through my library. [00:21:20] Speaker C: Oh, that is awesome. [00:21:21] Speaker E: Has it on audiobook. [00:21:23] Speaker D: I got it from Libro FM. That's one of our affiliate partners, I should say not Audible. But when Ashley asked me, she's like, this might be difficult to find. Is it okay? And I looked on Amazon like, oh, it's on Amazon. I said, no problem, we can pick that book. Even me, I was trying to get it. It's hard to get books where I am in Senegal, but I have friends who live in Europe, so usually when they go home, I get them to bring books back for me. And even then to get it to Spain, it was going to be, I think, the end of so no way. I was like, oh, that's a long time. [00:21:55] Speaker C: When I see things on Amazon, I immediately just think, oh, cool, it'll be here in a couple of days. But I totally forget sometimes that there are things on Amazon that do actually take some time to ship. So yeah, I didn't even think about that either. So I was really happy to find I believe it's on Google Books again. I'll send out an email afterwards and. [00:22:16] Speaker D: We'Ll put it in the show notes too, for other people. [00:22:18] Speaker C: Yeah. One thing that I really like about books, that kind of have different perspectives, because I do listen to audiobooks most of the time. Reading an actual book where there's two perspectives, it's easier for me to follow along with who's talking, if that makes sense. So yeah, that's just another thing I like about reading it. [00:22:37] Speaker F: So here's a little tip for you. Actually, I have two tips for you. [00:22:40] Speaker E: Can I take the tip, too? [00:22:41] Speaker F: You can take it or leave it. Ashley must take. [00:22:47] Speaker E: Mean I don't doubt. [00:22:49] Speaker F: That you will take it. I'm not going to force you, but I'm pretty sure you're going to be into it because of everything you've already said. [00:22:54] Speaker G: Okay. [00:22:54] Speaker F: So Jodie Picult, have you ever read anything by her? She's a two perspective all the time. [00:23:00] Speaker C: Really? [00:23:01] Speaker G: Yes. [00:23:01] Speaker F: And if you like one, you'll like all of them. It's really, really good. Not a lot of murder, though. [00:23:07] Speaker C: No, that's fine. [00:23:08] Speaker F: But two perspectives and usually pretty good topics, though. [00:23:11] Speaker C: And that's Jodie Picult. [00:23:13] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:23:13] Speaker F: P-I-C-C-O-U-L-T. [00:23:16] Speaker D: Listen. [00:23:17] Speaker E: What? [00:23:17] Speaker F: I will listen. [00:23:18] Speaker E: I won't. [00:23:21] Speaker D: Ashley put two books up that she was thinking about doing, and one was this book was her number one, and. [00:23:28] Speaker B: She said, but it might be hard to get my second one is My Sister's Keeper. [00:23:33] Speaker E: Jodie Colt. That's jodie bacult. [00:23:35] Speaker G: Oh, no. Okay. [00:23:36] Speaker C: So I totally have then. Oh, that's so awesome. [00:23:39] Speaker E: Isn't that weird? Well, you'll like that book because that's. [00:23:42] Speaker F: Two perspectives and that's so an interesting topic. [00:23:46] Speaker E: Isn't that weird, Kismet, that I just yeah. [00:23:48] Speaker C: What a coincidence. [00:23:49] Speaker G: Yes. [00:23:49] Speaker F: And then the second thing, that's kind of off topic, but if you like murder podcasts, have you listened to the system yet? [00:23:55] Speaker C: No, I haven't. [00:23:57] Speaker F: It's a Kim Kardashian podcast. [00:23:59] Speaker C: Stop. [00:24:00] Speaker G: No, it's not. [00:24:01] Speaker F: It is, and it's like a wrongful conviction. Maybe like one of them very serial. You know what saying. [00:24:09] Speaker E: So is it? I think you'll enjoy fact or fiction, Kim. [00:24:12] Speaker F: It is fact. [00:24:14] Speaker E: Okay. [00:24:14] Speaker F: And Jodie Picult is fiction. [00:24:16] Speaker C: Okay, perfect. Oh, my gosh. Thank you. I am going to be taking both of those recommendations. [00:24:22] Speaker F: Meredith, are you taking them? [00:24:24] Speaker E: I haven't decided yet. Yeah, right. [00:24:27] Speaker G: Undecided. Yes. [00:24:29] Speaker C: I wrote them down, so I'm ready. I've written them down. [00:24:33] Speaker F: I'm listening to the podcast right now in one of my earphones. [00:24:36] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. It's actually in my other headphones. [00:24:40] Speaker G: You guys don't mind, we're done if. [00:24:45] Speaker C: I zone out, you know why. [00:24:48] Speaker E: Oh, my goodness. [00:24:50] Speaker G: Oh. [00:24:50] Speaker E: What I want to say about the audiobook, though, is that there's two narrators. I don't know if Sarah, your version is that I think I'm going to like unless I hate one of the narrators, but then if I love the other one, just get to the other one. [00:25:00] Speaker C: That's sometimes what I find in the different perspectives is I usually relate to one side more, so I like reading their side more. But it's so interesting. I find by the end of the book, I usually end up liking the person that I wasn't drawn to initially. [00:25:17] Speaker F: I wonder if the author does that on purpose. [00:25:20] Speaker G: You know what I mean? [00:25:21] Speaker C: I didn't even think of that. Yeah, especially if you like a lot. [00:25:24] Speaker E: Of murder mystery type stuff, because sometimes it's written where you're like, that person did it. They're terrible, and then you realize that they're not really terrible, they're actually the hero conflicted. [00:25:34] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:25:34] Speaker C: You kind of get the background of what was happening, and then you're like, oh, I probably would have done the same thing. [00:25:39] Speaker E: Maybe they're just grumpy because somebody's trying to kill them. [00:25:42] Speaker C: I don't plan on murdering anyone, so I don't know if I can super relate. [00:25:46] Speaker G: Good. [00:25:49] Speaker C: Glad we cleared the air publicly. Everyone knows I am on the record. [00:25:53] Speaker E: Saying it was like the beginning of a murder mystery book where we all start talking about how, like, I would never murder someone, and then we're all somewhere in a mountain and no one can get there because there's a snowstorm, and the fifth person dies. [00:26:06] Speaker G: Oh, my God. [00:26:06] Speaker F: I'm like, this is White Lotus Meets the Shining. What's happening? [00:26:10] Speaker G: Do you guys watch White Lotus? [00:26:11] Speaker F: I did. Yeah. [00:26:13] Speaker C: We have so much to talk about. This is great. [00:26:18] Speaker E: It is great because we're on a podcast, so we can talk about it. [00:26:22] Speaker G: Perfect. [00:26:22] Speaker C: Yes. Oh, my gosh. Well, I mean, I totally would have chosen the White Lotus if it was a banned book somewhere. That was a really good I haven't watched a show that well done in a while, I think. [00:26:34] Speaker F: Have you seen all both seasons? [00:26:36] Speaker C: Yes, I have. [00:26:37] Speaker E: Which one did you like better? [00:26:39] Speaker C: I personally like the first season better because I think it's a lot more crazy. Just the consequences of what happens and the characters go to such yeah. For a TV show. That's perfect for me. What about you? [00:26:53] Speaker F: I like the second season. [00:26:55] Speaker C: Oh, okay. [00:26:57] Speaker B: What is it about? [00:26:58] Speaker F: Okay, so it's a show, basically where people go to a hotel. So, like, White Lotus is a hotel, and what has happened so far is there's just characters, and it's about what they're doing at the hotel for the week. I think that there's some version of a societal theme that plays out by the way, that the characters experience their week at the hotel. In season two, one character from season one is going to another White Lotus. So, like, one person comes along, but basically season one is it's contained within itself. That's the story. It happens in a week and you think what you think about it. And then season two, same thing. The week happens, and you meet all the characters. They do what they do. It's like a comment on whatever. I don't want to say because I don't want a spoiler. [00:27:45] Speaker G: Okay. [00:27:45] Speaker D: I'm like, what is a comment on what? [00:27:47] Speaker G: Whatever. What are they doing in the hotel? [00:27:49] Speaker D: Now I have to watch it. [00:27:50] Speaker C: You're really leaving people hanging there. Well, I want them to watch it. Yeah, it's really good. I don't know if it was picked up for a third season or not. It is amazing. [00:28:01] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:28:01] Speaker C: So recommend if you guys haven't seen it, it's on Crave or HBO if you have either. [00:28:11] Speaker E: That's good. [00:28:12] Speaker D: So the audiobook so, you know, I don't enjoy the second actress's voice of girl. [00:28:20] Speaker C: Okay. [00:28:20] Speaker D: The boy, I think it's fine, but the little girl there's something really annoying about. But maybe she's supposed to be. [00:28:25] Speaker E: Annoying. [00:28:26] Speaker C: Oh, is it the voice is annoying or is it the character? What she's saying? [00:28:31] Speaker D: The voice is annoying. [00:28:32] Speaker C: Oh, the voice. Oh, okay. [00:28:33] Speaker D: But I wonder if she's doing annoying voice, because some of the things the character says is kind of argumentative. Yeah, she's kind of argumentative. She's like, I don't know why I'm a bitch all the time, so she's kind of bitchy. So I don't know if the voice is supposed to be annoying, too, the inner monologue she has, but I don't care for the actress's portrayal of her voice. [00:28:56] Speaker C: Oh, that's good to know. So I believe the ages that they are jeremy is the son. He is twelve years old. And then Jenna is the sister daughter and she is 14. So I wonder if she's kind of like a preteen. And I mean, I remember when I was a preteen, I was not a. [00:29:17] Speaker E: Nice I tried to forget. [00:29:20] Speaker G: Right. [00:29:21] Speaker E: I selectively remember. I was like, I was great. [00:29:24] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:29:25] Speaker E: Sometime in my mid to late 20s, early thirty s I just said to my mom, I was like, I'm so sorry. [00:29:31] Speaker C: Yeah, totally. [00:29:32] Speaker E: All that decade, the worst children. [00:29:37] Speaker C: And it's so funny when you're that age, you're like, this is justified. [00:29:41] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:29:41] Speaker E: You don't know. [00:29:41] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:29:42] Speaker C: And you're like, I know everything. And I'm just going to be really mean to everyone in my path. [00:29:49] Speaker E: Right? [00:29:50] Speaker C: Totally. Oh, God. Just even I always used to be like, okay, that's so rude. [00:29:58] Speaker E: So rude. [00:29:59] Speaker C: Yeah, I see my nephews do that and it makes me so mad. And I'm like, I did it, too, so it's fine. I'll grow out of it. [00:30:08] Speaker D: My daughter recently said, you're ruining my life. [00:30:11] Speaker E: And I'm like, have we started? Like, she's only ten. [00:30:14] Speaker C: I'm like, okay. [00:30:16] Speaker E: You're like, oh, this is like I'm glad you finally noticed. I've been working on it for years. [00:30:21] Speaker G: Yes. Oh, my God. [00:30:23] Speaker C: And it's so funny. I think we all go through those phases where it's really tough, the relationship between you and your parents when you're a preteen teenager, and then it's like, you grow up and move out and they're your best friend. You call them for everything. Right. It's like, what are you doing? I know I called you half an hour ago, but I miss you. [00:30:43] Speaker E: Who. [00:30:43] Speaker C: Are you done with? [00:30:45] Speaker E: My daughter? [00:30:46] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:30:47] Speaker C: It's very cute. It's a reconnecting. I love it. [00:30:51] Speaker D: The book is because it's so short. I'm already 40% through it. [00:30:55] Speaker C: Oh, wow. [00:30:56] Speaker D: I'm trying to decide if I should keep on reading till the end, way before our next episode or taking a break, but I'm worried that the break I'm taking there is, I think, some horrible reasons why that murder happened is. [00:31:11] Speaker G: About to be revealed. [00:31:13] Speaker C: Okay. [00:31:13] Speaker D: There are little teases that it's like, oh, no. [00:31:17] Speaker C: Oh, I'm so excited because I have only read Jeremy's part and then Jenna's part, and then Jeremy's part again. [00:31:25] Speaker D: Have you gone to the funeral? Yes, I have been to the funeral? [00:31:28] Speaker C: Yes, I think I'm just starting the funeral. [00:31:31] Speaker G: Okay. [00:31:32] Speaker D: Now I'm into them talking about we just had Christmas and that kind of thing. [00:31:39] Speaker E: Are you worried that you're going to forget Sarah? Is that why you don't want to finish? [00:31:43] Speaker D: Yeah, I have a tip that you. [00:31:46] Speaker E: Could or could not take. [00:31:47] Speaker D: Okay, how about this? [00:31:49] Speaker E: If you're listening to the audiobook, you can put BOOKMARKS on it, right? Well, you just bookmark some key parts that you're like. I want to remember this spot. And then right before the next podcast, you just listen to little snippets of those to remind yourself what happened. When I listen to audiobooks, I bookmark the parts that I really like, and then I can go back and listen to them. [00:32:10] Speaker C: Oh, that's really smart to do. [00:32:13] Speaker G: Yeah, that's why they have the option. [00:32:14] Speaker D: I guess I won't actually go back, though. No, but you're right. I could do that. [00:32:19] Speaker G: I'm digging to it. [00:32:20] Speaker F: I'm like, I would never first of all, I wouldn't know what I wanted to bookmark. And then second of all, when I'm done the book, I'm done. [00:32:30] Speaker C: Kim, you're so funny. Just I would never that's absolutely not happening. [00:32:36] Speaker E: Write my notes in here, though. And my little book fits nicely in the back of my jean pocket. And I put the number page on there, and I'm like, right, little note. [00:32:43] Speaker C: Okay, wait, are you the person that's also type A? [00:32:46] Speaker E: Am I type A? Yes, you are. [00:32:50] Speaker C: You carry a notebook in your pocket. [00:32:53] Speaker E: It doesn't just have notes for whatever. It also on the back has notes about genetics and anatomy. Okay, but we're not sure if she's type A. [00:33:03] Speaker G: Are you type A? [00:33:05] Speaker C: She's like, I'm leaning on the fence here. [00:33:08] Speaker E: Want to know how magnesium is good for your mitochondria? I've got notes. [00:33:13] Speaker G: I do. [00:33:15] Speaker C: Hey, as we get older, that's really important. [00:33:17] Speaker E: Magnesium is so important. [00:33:19] Speaker G: It is. [00:33:20] Speaker E: Are you talking about your mitochondria? Because your mitochondria is also very important. [00:33:24] Speaker C: Very important. [00:33:24] Speaker F: More important than magnesium. [00:33:26] Speaker C: Even powerhouse to the cell. [00:33:28] Speaker F: That's right. [00:33:28] Speaker E: That's its brand, Mitochondria. [00:33:31] Speaker F: It is branded as powerhouse of the cell. I know that literal, exact sentence and only that sentence about mitochondria. [00:33:36] Speaker E: That was all about Mitochondria, like, a couple of weeks ago. Right now, I'm about the benefits of saunas. [00:33:42] Speaker C: Oh, my gosh. [00:33:43] Speaker G: Okay. [00:33:44] Speaker C: Speaking of saunas, so another part of the cell. [00:33:47] Speaker F: And I was like, what are we doing? [00:33:50] Speaker E: You meant actually, in the last episode, I was talking about telemeers. [00:33:54] Speaker C: So they're just like, what? [00:33:55] Speaker F: That's why I was like, don't do it again, please. [00:33:59] Speaker C: Well, speaking of how I know this is a little off topic, how important Saunas are, so I don't know if you guys know, but I used to have the job that Kim has. One thing that I had found out is it's really good for people with addictions, especially if they have a smoking addiction, to go to a sauna for, like, three or four days consecutively when they're trying to quit because it can help take out all those toxins from your body and kind of reduce the cravings. [00:34:31] Speaker E: Cool. [00:34:32] Speaker C: So a little pro tip there. [00:34:33] Speaker E: It does something else, too. [00:34:35] Speaker C: What does it do? [00:34:37] Speaker E: If you stay in long enough, you produce what's called heat stress proteins. That might be wrong, but anyway, the point is, it helps you deal with stress better, but it also does stuff to your endorphins. And endorphins is that the opposite, that system? Okay, so if you do, like, regular sauna use, let's say, four times a week, you put your body under that kind of stress. Exercise can do this, too. If you get your internal body temperature up by, like, a degree or two or something, then when you do something that gives you endorphins, you're more, like, sensitive to it. So the things that make you happy, you're happier. So, like, things that make you laugh, you feel happier. So maybe you might not want to go try to fill that with something that you're trying to stop using or whatever. [00:35:19] Speaker C: Yeah. Oh, that's very cool. [00:35:21] Speaker E: But there's other things that are going on. When you put yourself under heat stress going into saunas is equivalent to moderate exercise as well. [00:35:30] Speaker F: Now, does it apply to hot tubs? [00:35:32] Speaker E: Does it have to be this dry. [00:35:33] Speaker F: Heat, or is it just about the temperature? Because I prefer a hot tub to a sauna. [00:35:37] Speaker E: The hot tub can work. [00:35:38] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:35:38] Speaker E: But you got to put your shoulders underneath. [00:35:40] Speaker F: Fine. Yeah, no problem. [00:35:42] Speaker E: Not just your shoulders, your whole body and shoulders. [00:35:45] Speaker C: You have my head in only your head under the water. You better be holding your breath. Head and shoulders. [00:35:51] Speaker E: Yeah, I'll put just your shoulders. Anyway, some of those details might be wrong, but the idea is the gist. Anyway, again, I'm just getting into this. [00:36:00] Speaker D: You know what my favorite thing is? Water spas. I'm just putting this out there because you're talking about hot tubs and saunas. You go into a saltwater pool, regular warm temperature. Then you go into the sauna, and then you go into a cold plunge, and then you go into the hot tub, and then you go into a cold plunge, and then you go back to the saltwater, and you do over and over and over. And it's the best feeling ever. Once you're done it. [00:36:33] Speaker F: Even the cold plunge. [00:36:36] Speaker D: The cold plunge because it helps your circulation. [00:36:38] Speaker E: Every time she said, like, sauna, both you two were just like and then you said cold plunge, and you're like and then into the hot tub, and then cold plunge. And Kim had said kim was like. [00:36:50] Speaker C: You want me to do what? [00:36:51] Speaker E: Like, are you kidding me? [00:36:52] Speaker F: Cold plunge? [00:36:53] Speaker C: I'm not going into cold water. [00:36:54] Speaker F: I know. I dislike a cold plunge. [00:36:57] Speaker D: It's good for your circulation to go from hot to cold like that. [00:37:00] Speaker C: Totally. [00:37:00] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:37:01] Speaker E: Don't care to exercise your vascular dilation versus contraction. [00:37:07] Speaker C: That's actually really good for stress management as well. And anxiety. [00:37:12] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:37:12] Speaker F: There's a lot of support for cold plunging. [00:37:16] Speaker D: There's a place in Toronto called Body Blitz that does it. There's other places, too, but I got this term from Body Blitz because after you've done it like three or four times the cycle, you literally feel blitzed out. The euphoria you feel just by doing the circuit. [00:37:32] Speaker B: It's amazing. [00:37:33] Speaker D: You feel so relaxed. Oh, I bet too. The amount of relax I feel after is amazing. I tried to take my mom, but. [00:37:41] Speaker C: She hated the cold plunge. [00:37:43] Speaker E: Yeah, she did hate it so much. [00:37:44] Speaker D: To the point where she was talking. [00:37:46] Speaker E: To other people in the cold plunge. [00:37:48] Speaker D: Being like, do you think we could skip this party? You're supposed to do it. [00:37:53] Speaker E: Like she was trying to get people on her team. But she still does talk about how good she felt afterwards. [00:38:00] Speaker G: She did. Yeah. [00:38:01] Speaker E: But she also still talks about how the cold plunge was terrible. [00:38:04] Speaker F: How long do you have to stay in the cold plunge? Because, like, plunge to me means jump in, get out, dip. [00:38:10] Speaker G: 60 seconds. Dip. Exactly. [00:38:13] Speaker C: Forget it. [00:38:14] Speaker F: That is not a plunge. That is immersion. [00:38:16] Speaker D: You can stay in the other ones longer. But the plunge is supposed to be, I think, 60 seconds. [00:38:21] Speaker F: I think it is 60 plunge is not an action. [00:38:24] Speaker C: I'd do it. [00:38:25] Speaker E: I think I'd do it. [00:38:26] Speaker F: I would do it as well. [00:38:27] Speaker C: I would do it if you all did it. [00:38:32] Speaker E: How cold is the cold plunge? Like four degrees. [00:38:35] Speaker D: It's pretty cold. And especially after you've just been in the sauna, you're like, sweating and then you go to the cold plunge. [00:38:42] Speaker F: If I could get to the point where I wanted relief from the heat, right. Like, I'm too hot. The cold plunge may be welcome. And I also will do a cold plunge to amplify a hot plunge. [00:38:55] Speaker C: Right. [00:38:56] Speaker F: Because my favorite thing in the world is being kind of cold and getting into a hot tub, even a little bit burning. [00:39:02] Speaker E: Oh, it's too hot. [00:39:03] Speaker F: I'm still going to get so Hollywood. [00:39:07] Speaker D: Has a really good one, or Whistler, because there's outdoors, it's an outdoor one, but the hot tubs outside the sauna and then the cold plunge, especially in the winter. It's amazing in the winter because it's snowing and you're going to these different places. [00:39:21] Speaker H: Well, you assume it's snowing. [00:39:23] Speaker E: There's not a lot of snow this year. [00:39:25] Speaker F: There was a bunch of snow and then now I'm happy that it's done. [00:39:28] Speaker C: Meredith, do you also live in the Okanagan? [00:39:31] Speaker E: No. [00:39:31] Speaker D: She lives in Prince George. [00:39:33] Speaker C: And there's not a lot of snow. [00:39:35] Speaker E: Where you oh, I mean, not like normally there would be this time of year. The ground is all covered in snow. Yes. But it has been kind of warm. [00:39:43] Speaker C: Yeah, it's been the same in Edmonton. We're usually hitting -40 -30 consistently it's been like minus five minus ten. [00:39:53] Speaker E: Yeah, like our house too hot. Well, you know what? I got my ducks cleaned. Like, not quack quack attached to the furnace. I don't have ducks. [00:40:03] Speaker G: Duck. [00:40:05] Speaker C: Duck. [00:40:06] Speaker E: Yeah. And I think maybe everything's working better, but this just seems like the house is too hot at night. [00:40:11] Speaker C: Turn your heat down. Yeah, I know. [00:40:12] Speaker E: I got to keep turning it down. [00:40:13] Speaker G: Quick fix. Yeah. [00:40:14] Speaker C: I like, around, like, ten degrees Celsius. [00:40:18] Speaker E: At night or all at all times. [00:40:20] Speaker C: At all times in the house. [00:40:21] Speaker G: Yes. [00:40:21] Speaker C: That's my perfect freezing in and outside. I can put a sweater on and I'll look really cute. [00:40:28] Speaker F: I don't mind. Outside, ten degrees. 50 inside, too cold. [00:40:32] Speaker C: Okay. Hey, that's fair. I like an ice box. I would live in a freezer if I could. [00:40:36] Speaker F: Yeah. [00:40:38] Speaker D: I was just talking to my husband how I don't think I could move back to Canada during because it's way too cold. So right now it's cold for us, which just means we put a comforter on our bed at nighttime to sleep. It's perfect. Or the sea is cold, but the outside's hot. And even then in the mornings, we're. [00:40:58] Speaker E: Like, whoo, it's so cold, we might. [00:41:00] Speaker D: Have to wear socks. And we're complaining about the cold. And then I saw some videos of. [00:41:05] Speaker C: All the snowstorms and stuff, and people. [00:41:06] Speaker D: Like walking through the snow and do it again. We're complaining about how cold it is right now because you put a blanket on. [00:41:13] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:41:13] Speaker C: My aunt's the same way. She lives in Hawaii, and she'll come and visit the Okanagan in the summer, which can get very hot. Right. And she's wearing sweaters and scarves. And then she asked me, she was like, it would be so awesome if you moved out to Hawai. Okay, you are wearing a sweater in 40 deg weather, and I am sweating buckets. And you think I'm going to survive in Hawaii? [00:41:39] Speaker F: Hawaii is humid, too. I don't like humidity. [00:41:43] Speaker C: Just big fro with my hair, too. There's just no chance of it being straight. I'm going to look gnarly in Hawaii. [00:41:49] Speaker E: If I had a fro, I would. [00:41:51] Speaker F: Wear my fro all the know. [00:41:54] Speaker C: That's what people without froze say. [00:41:56] Speaker G: It's true. [00:41:57] Speaker E: It is. Like, I used to think I wanted curly hair. I was like, oh, it looks nice, but my hair won't tangle. It could in the winter with Tukes. If I were Tukes, it was just fine. I just wash my hair and then just dry it, and then I just walk and go about my day. [00:42:13] Speaker C: I'm so jealous. [00:42:14] Speaker E: So when I was a teenager, I'm like, I wish I had curly hair. And when I became older, I was like, so much work. [00:42:19] Speaker C: Oh, it's so much work. Even when you sleep. Yeah. Well, maybe next time I'll do curly hair. [00:42:25] Speaker D: You should do curly hair. [00:42:27] Speaker E: It looks nice. [00:42:27] Speaker C: Thank you. [00:42:28] Speaker D: Right? [00:42:29] Speaker E: It's an extra level of work that I don't want to do. [00:42:32] Speaker C: It really is. Especially when you live somewhere that's humid, you can get into the whole PH level of your hair if your hair is low porosity or high porosity. I have high porosity, in case you were wondering. So that means I just have to use, like, a pound of gel in my hair when I style it. So I go through, like, a bottle of gel once a month. [00:42:55] Speaker F: How do you find out about your porosity? Or is it just the way your hair behaves? [00:43:00] Speaker C: So it's two things. So it is how your hair behaves in climates. You can also do tests where you take a strand of hair out and you put it in a cup of water. I think if it sinks, it's high porosity, and if it floats, it's low. [00:43:15] Speaker F: It makes sense. [00:43:16] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:43:17] Speaker C: If it's in the middle, you just have regular. And basically, all that means is do the shafts on your hair close when it dries, and so mine doesn't, which is why it causes so much frizz, because all the water is escaping. And then if you have low porosity hair, that means it's really hard for your shafts to open and get moisture in. So I just try and do things to close the shafts on my hair to keep that moisture in, which is why I use really Stronghold gel. [00:43:49] Speaker E: Kim's just having trouble every time you say shaft. [00:43:53] Speaker G: She's just like, I want to know about the hair, but I can't stop. [00:43:58] Speaker C: She's like, there's other words for that. [00:44:02] Speaker E: That's very interesting. I got to do this hair test. [00:44:05] Speaker C: I'm very interested. Now, next time we record, I want to hear everyone I already know. [00:44:10] Speaker F: Do you know your porosity? [00:44:12] Speaker G: Yes. [00:44:13] Speaker C: That's awesome. [00:44:13] Speaker D: And my daughters. [00:44:14] Speaker E: Okay. [00:44:15] Speaker D: So my hair awesome so hard, when I wash my hair, it stays wet forever because the water doesn't get in right. So it takes a long time for my hair to dry. But my daughter, she probably has high because, like, what you were saying, it frizzes, and we have to put so much conditioner in her hair, and it gets tangled all the time, and I. [00:44:38] Speaker B: Wonder what my other kids are. But my daughter, for sure look for. [00:44:43] Speaker C: Shampoos or conditioners with high protein for her. [00:44:47] Speaker G: Okay. Yeah. [00:44:48] Speaker C: So people who have high porosity hair need protein, and that will help close the shaft, as well. Sorry. That'll help close the cuticles the strands of the hair for those who are mature. [00:45:07] Speaker E: Yeah, because mine doesn't dry, either. I like to shower in the morning because if I shower at night, I wake up with wet hair. It'll go all night. [00:45:14] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:45:15] Speaker C: And that's bad for your hair, too, to have your hair wet all the time. That can cause so much breakage and also mold. [00:45:20] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:45:21] Speaker D: When my daughter was a baby, I would shower at night and then put it in a bun because I just had a baby, so I didn't have time for showers and stuff. And I let it dry by itself. And when I went to the hairdresser, she said the back of my head had mold because my hair doesn't dry very fast. [00:45:34] Speaker G: Gross. [00:45:35] Speaker C: No way. Gross. [00:45:37] Speaker D: I know. She had to cut my hair short. I had really long hair. [00:45:41] Speaker C: I didn't know you could actually grow. Like, I knew that if your hair was wet for so long, it can get there, but I've never known anyone that had mold in their hair. Very cool. [00:45:49] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:45:50] Speaker E: Sarah does everything to the extreme, right to the nth wear. [00:45:56] Speaker C: Love. Yes, I love that. [00:46:00] Speaker G: Cool. [00:46:01] Speaker C: Lime. [00:46:01] Speaker E: I have the opposite hair problem because I put on moisturizer today. I make my own moisturizer, but then I also made the dog. Some people put wax on their dog's paws in the winter so they don't crack. So I made some dog paw wax, but I thought it was the moisturizer because it's the same container without a label. Okay, just follow me here. So I was like, oh, that's worse. I try to put it on my face and they're just like, wax. [00:46:25] Speaker C: Waxy. [00:46:26] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:46:27] Speaker E: I was like, oh, no, what do I do now? And I was like, I warmed it up. I just put it in my hair. [00:46:31] Speaker G: Oh, good. [00:46:32] Speaker E: Now my hair is done. Washed my face. But the dog doesn't like to wax. [00:46:36] Speaker G: I don't know. [00:46:37] Speaker C: They don't like anything that's good for them. It's so true. [00:46:40] Speaker E: It's true. [00:46:41] Speaker C: Dexter is the same way because he wears boots. Because he's only 15 pounds, so it's not like he can go outside in -20 weather. So he wears boots. He hates them. And it's like, why? That's the only way you're getting a walk. That should be a positive thing for you. [00:46:55] Speaker E: Yeah, positive. [00:46:59] Speaker C: It should be a positive thing. But it's just like kids, right? You tell them, oh, you have to wear a jacket. Well, I don't want to wear a jacket. Well, too bad. You got to. We're going outside. [00:47:10] Speaker E: Yeah, you can't dive exposure on the way to the car. It's too cold out. [00:47:14] Speaker C: Just put a jacket on and then, hey, maybe they'll be writing memoir about when dad killed mom. [00:47:19] Speaker G: There you go. [00:47:20] Speaker C: There you go. That's right. [00:47:22] Speaker E: I love that. [00:47:22] Speaker C: I thought it was a memoir. [00:47:23] Speaker D: I'm glad that you thought so, too, Kim. [00:47:25] Speaker E: Oh, totally. [00:47:26] Speaker F: It would never cross my mind that. [00:47:27] Speaker G: It would just be a fiction book. [00:47:28] Speaker E: I thought it was going to be a memoir, too, actually. Really? [00:47:31] Speaker C: That's so interesting. I was actually a little worried that it would be too juvenile. When you look up what genre it is, some of it says children's literature. [00:47:41] Speaker E: That's what I thought was weird. [00:47:43] Speaker C: Some of it said, like, young adult, adult. But reading it, you're like, is this. [00:47:48] Speaker E: For a twelve year old? [00:47:49] Speaker C: And I wouldn't want my nephews reading this. I don't know how this is children's literature. [00:47:55] Speaker D: I think that's why it was banned, because when I was looking up the ban. It's because it has mature content description of genitals. Because the 14 year old does a drawing of her vagina and puts it on a bathroom wall, and her mom. [00:48:16] Speaker E: Liked that she did it, and it. [00:48:17] Speaker D: Was of her own vagina. And she's like, I'm just trying to get other people to accept their vaginas or something. Anyway, but she described her vagina in detail. She's like, I made the clitoris bigger. [00:48:28] Speaker B: Than it actually is, but I wanted to show it. [00:48:30] Speaker D: So that's not what it actually looked like. You wouldn't be able to see it. Like she goes into detail. And that's one of the reasons it was banned. [00:48:36] Speaker C: Yeah. And on that, because of the banning of this book, they had to redo the guidelines of which books can be considered in schools to read, because this was a book that I think they would read in schools. Interesting. [00:48:54] Speaker E: Read the title first and go you would say not, and then they'd read the book and go, I might get fired for this. [00:49:01] Speaker C: Yeah. In 2001, I was, like, six or something, so I don't really remember what school was like then, but maybe it was just different times and just whatever flew. [00:49:11] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:49:11] Speaker D: This says it was banned for sexual content and genital references, and that was by school boards. Started. [00:49:19] Speaker F: School boards are stupid, though. They want to ban everything. I don't think that genital references warrants a banning, depending on the age. [00:49:28] Speaker C: No, totally. [00:49:29] Speaker F: When's sex ed isn't it like, starting in grade four? [00:49:32] Speaker E: Depends on where you are. [00:49:33] Speaker C: I guess on that topic, I think the whole fact that she drew her vagina because she wanted people to feel accepting, it's, like, advanced. [00:49:43] Speaker F: It's like ahead of today's date. [00:49:45] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:49:45] Speaker E: And then school is like, we don't accept it. No vaginas out of here. [00:49:50] Speaker G: No vaginas. We don't want to know about them. [00:49:52] Speaker E: Unless you're having a baby. [00:49:53] Speaker C: And even then even then. Thank you. [00:49:56] Speaker E: It came out of the belly button. Yeah. You pooped it out. Every kid pooped it out. [00:50:01] Speaker C: But I think that's so important because I don't know if this is TMI. [00:50:07] Speaker E: But when I my vagina, when I draw my vagina and describe it in detail yeah. [00:50:13] Speaker C: When I publicly post it. But no, as a kid. And again, this could be so different. I don't know what sex ed is like now, but you have one view of what a vagina should look like, and if yours doesn't look like that, you're like, something's wrong down there. And literally, until a few years ago, I thought there was something wrong. I was like, I'm going to have to get surgery. It just doesn't look how it's supposedly it's supposed to. Exactly. And then through talking with other people or through reading online, there's just so much available now. I've come to learn that there really is different shapes there's. Sizes, colors. [00:50:52] Speaker F: I love it so much. [00:50:53] Speaker E: So many different vaginas. [00:50:54] Speaker G: Yes, exactly. It is. [00:50:56] Speaker C: And banning a book like this is just kind of also reiterating that thing that women should be ashamed of sex. They should be ashamed of themselves. They shouldn't explore themselves. How many pictures of dicks are there? All around schools, all around the town. [00:51:12] Speaker E: People like all around the town spray paint them everywhere around. Right. They're always spray painted on things. [00:51:20] Speaker F: Well, also, even in the building, everything is phallic. Like, literally everything is phallic. [00:51:26] Speaker C: Oh, my gosh. [00:51:26] Speaker E: Yeah, everything just like in the fields, all the mushrooms that are growing in the forest. It is like, yeah, I need more vagina flowers. [00:51:37] Speaker G: Oh, my gosh. [00:51:37] Speaker D: You know what this reminds me of? I was working at an organic juice bar and cafe when I was getting my nutrition. [00:51:43] Speaker E: Did they have a penis smoothie? [00:51:46] Speaker D: No, there was an elderly woman everything. [00:51:48] Speaker E: That goes random phallic. Listen, okay. [00:51:51] Speaker D: There was an elderly woman who was an artist, and we used to put art from different local artists in the cafe, and people could buy them if they wanted. And this elderly woman asked for her art to go up, and I did. And one of our regulars came in and he was like, So what's with the dick pictures? And I was like, what? And he's like, all the dick pictures. [00:52:09] Speaker G: Around the cafe, little houses? [00:52:12] Speaker D: And he's like, no, they're dicks. I'm like, she's in her eighty s. And he's like, she like knows what I was like. [00:52:18] Speaker G: Stop saying. [00:52:22] Speaker C: Power to her. Honestly, that's some Freudian like slippage there. [00:52:26] Speaker E: Maybe she does love dicks. [00:52:28] Speaker G: It's not like she's going to spend. [00:52:29] Speaker E: Her early years loving dicks. And then one day she turns 80 and she's like, but now I can't because I'm 80 now. I don't even know what they are. [00:52:35] Speaker D: No, they were little houses. But he was like, no, this is Village of Dicks. [00:52:40] Speaker C: It's not like a little houses. [00:52:41] Speaker D: They all look like dicks. [00:52:42] Speaker C: And I was like, oh, what was. [00:52:44] Speaker E: The name of the painting? [00:52:45] Speaker C: I don't remember. [00:52:46] Speaker D: They were sweet, I thought Village of Dick. They were very phallic. [00:52:50] Speaker G: Dick's House. [00:52:51] Speaker C: Dick street. [00:52:52] Speaker G: Dick street. [00:52:54] Speaker F: The many faces of Richard. [00:52:59] Speaker E: Faces. [00:53:00] Speaker F: Richard Thames. [00:53:01] Speaker G: And then that's all you could see. [00:53:02] Speaker D: Once he said it. [00:53:03] Speaker G: Oh, my God. [00:53:04] Speaker D: They are kind of like. [00:53:08] Speaker C: I mean, how ingrained in society are we to even see things as a dick? Right? So of course, a guy comes in and he's like, oh, those are dicks. Well, yeah, I bet that's the only thing you think of. [00:53:19] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:53:21] Speaker D: Pervert. [00:53:21] Speaker E: Get out of my cafe. [00:53:23] Speaker F: Would you like a penis smoothie? [00:53:27] Speaker E: Everything that goes in this is penis shape. I'm just saying, wouldn't it be nice if you had the penis smoothie and the vagina smoothie and then you could have one that was mixed? [00:53:38] Speaker F: Yeah, love or something. Quite the baby maker. [00:53:44] Speaker E: I think people would buy that. That's all I'm saying. They would buy it. [00:53:47] Speaker C: Can I get an extra large koitis? Thank you. [00:53:53] Speaker F: What goes in the penis smoothie besides bananas? [00:53:56] Speaker E: I don't know. Mushrooms, I guess. [00:53:59] Speaker G: Mushrooms and bananas. Delicious. [00:54:02] Speaker E: Mushrooms are very good for you. [00:54:05] Speaker G: Sick. [00:54:05] Speaker C: Ours would be so good. We would have peaches, strawberry. Like, it would taste so good. [00:54:10] Speaker F: Totally. [00:54:11] Speaker E: Of vagina. [00:54:14] Speaker C: Oh, my gosh. Right? We're killing it out here. [00:54:18] Speaker E: The smoothie wars better. [00:54:21] Speaker D: But in the book, when she's talking about the vagina, she says that every vagina is kind of like a fingerprint. Everyone's different. [00:54:27] Speaker G: I was going to say that. [00:54:28] Speaker C: I love that. [00:54:31] Speaker D: She's like, I wish the other classmates would let me draw theirs so that we can show how they all look different. [00:54:36] Speaker E: Maybe that's why I got banned. Maybe they didn't want other kids copying. [00:54:40] Speaker H: That idea in the schools. [00:54:41] Speaker E: They're like, this could be a problem. We got to ban this before. [00:54:43] Speaker D: Let me see your vagina. [00:54:45] Speaker E: They're having vagina drawing parties. [00:54:47] Speaker C: But I mean, how many kids, even in elementary school, are drawing dicks all over their papers? [00:54:53] Speaker E: I used to draw flowers and stars. [00:54:56] Speaker F: I used to draw dicks. [00:54:58] Speaker E: Did you listen in grade six? [00:55:01] Speaker F: They used to draw they'd call them anals. And they used to draw a butt. [00:55:05] Speaker E: And a little dick underneath the butt signifying anal sex. [00:55:09] Speaker F: That was all the rage. An anal would be drawn all the time. You'd have your textbook open and someone like, whip an anal on it real. [00:55:16] Speaker G: Quick, I swear to God. [00:55:19] Speaker C: What schools were you going to? [00:55:21] Speaker G: Because not what happened at my school. [00:55:24] Speaker E: It was an elite private school. [00:55:28] Speaker C: It was called the Phallus. [00:55:30] Speaker G: It was the anus academy. The Anus. [00:55:35] Speaker C: Oh, my gosh, that's hilarious. [00:55:38] Speaker E: It was. [00:55:41] Speaker C: It was actually a butthole. The coat of arms. I can't believe they were just drawing butts. I've never really seen someone oh, you know what? [00:55:50] Speaker E: I used to draw my friend's books. It would be like a butt with a fart cloud coming out of it. Just like a boot. [00:55:58] Speaker G: Boot. [00:55:59] Speaker E: A little cloud with, like, shooting. [00:56:01] Speaker F: That's the same butt for the anal, except for it's upside down. [00:56:05] Speaker E: And instead of a fart cloud, it was a penis. [00:56:08] Speaker G: That's right. [00:56:09] Speaker C: Honestly, they kind of look the same. Really? Like a fart cloud and a penis. [00:56:13] Speaker E: Take your fart cloud and put a top on and be like, there's something wrong with your testes. There's too many. [00:56:19] Speaker C: I like that this is low key. Turned into a little sex podcast. [00:56:22] Speaker G: It always does. [00:56:24] Speaker E: So many times. [00:56:26] Speaker C: Well, good. As it should. [00:56:29] Speaker G: As it should. [00:56:30] Speaker C: So for me, this type of book is just so normal for me to read. And sometimes I forget that not everyone talks about murder every day of their life. Like, that's just not super common. How comfortable are you guys reading the book? Or even going into the book? [00:56:48] Speaker F: I think people got more comfortable when they thought it was a fiction, when it was a memoir. I think that there was a level of discomfort. [00:56:55] Speaker C: I don't care. [00:56:55] Speaker F: I'm into. It too. I like to read all the horrible things like true or fiction. So I'm the same as you, Ashley, so it's not a problem for me. But I think that maybe Sarah was like and then she was, oh, thank goodness. This didn't really happen. [00:57:11] Speaker D: Fiction. I could read this. This didn't actually happen. [00:57:14] Speaker E: I can read it. [00:57:15] Speaker G: Oh, totally. [00:57:16] Speaker D: That exactly what good, good. [00:57:19] Speaker E: Our mom loves murder mysteries. The degree we always say it's murder most foul. She got sick from the kids over Christmas. And so I got BritBox so she can watch. [00:57:29] Speaker C: Oh, nice. [00:57:31] Speaker E: Because she loves Marvel. And there's a lot of murder. A lot. Like, it's not like one person dies per episode. It could be like five or more fictional murder mysteries. Sarah and I like, we've watched a lot of murder. [00:57:43] Speaker D: Totally into murder mysteries. If it's fictional, nice. But the second is nonfiction. Like Kim said, I was like, I need to get this book over with, and that's why I've read so much. And then just today being like, oh, it's fiction. I was like, oh, fine. [00:57:56] Speaker C: Oh, that's so funny. That's actually perfect because in my personal journal before this, I kind of gave like, a little overview of the book. I actually say that it's fiction. [00:58:08] Speaker F: That would be so funny because Sarah's personal journal is all like, this sounds like fiction, but it's not fiction. [00:58:13] Speaker C: I'm just arbitrarily believing it's a memoir. [00:58:16] Speaker F: In spite of all the clues to the contrary. [00:58:19] Speaker C: Yeah, so it'll be kind of funny to be like, so this is a fiction. And then you're like, so this memoir is a little intense. [00:58:25] Speaker E: Hey, it reads like a fiction, though. Yeah, I just don't understand. [00:58:29] Speaker C: Yeah, totally. That's so funny. [00:58:32] Speaker E: Two perspectives. [00:58:34] Speaker D: How can it be nonfiction? [00:58:35] Speaker G: This is a tag team memoir. [00:58:37] Speaker C: Yeah, that's totally fair. [00:58:40] Speaker E: That's a great idea. [00:58:41] Speaker F: I want to read a tag team memoir. [00:58:42] Speaker E: Yeah, that would be good. [00:58:45] Speaker G: Okay. [00:58:45] Speaker E: The book interrupted. Memoir. Stay tuned. Oh, we should write it. Multiple perspectives. [00:58:50] Speaker F: Multiple perspectives. [00:58:51] Speaker E: Like a tell all. [00:58:53] Speaker F: Like that Saturday Night Live book. [00:58:55] Speaker E: I could be illustrated with lots of vaginas. Vagina pictures. [00:58:58] Speaker F: We could all draw our own vagina. [00:59:01] Speaker C: Everyone draws and we won't put our name. [00:59:03] Speaker G: Yes. [00:59:04] Speaker C: Oh, totally. [00:59:05] Speaker G: Just whatever. It's someone else's perspective. Just a picture of their vagina. [00:59:08] Speaker E: A drawing. [00:59:09] Speaker D: Just her vagina. [00:59:11] Speaker G: Oh my gosh. [00:59:11] Speaker F: So everyone can just guess. [00:59:13] Speaker E: That sounds like Kim. [00:59:15] Speaker G: I think that's Kim's vagina. This must be Kim. [00:59:21] Speaker F: I'm so into that now. [00:59:23] Speaker E: Any book with drawings of vaginas is on my list. [00:59:26] Speaker C: Honestly, I would read every version of that book. Great. [00:59:34] Speaker E: Any book with drawings of vaginas is on my list. [00:59:37] Speaker C: Hey, sign me up. [00:59:41] Speaker B: Thank you for joining us on this episode of Book Interrupted. If you'd like to see the video highlights from this episode, please go to our YouTube channel, Book Interrupted. You can also find our videos on www.bookinterrupted.com. [00:59:57] Speaker A: Are you interested in buying this book? Do you want to order the next book so you can read along, go to www.bookinterrupted.com. Slash shop to see a complete list of our books. And if you haven't tried them yet, our affiliate partners, The Bookshop and Libro FM both help support your local bookstore where available. 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